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MATATU SRIKE
mawinder
#51 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:58:22 PM
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I am with the matatu guys on this.let us revert to the old law.even owners of private cars should join the strike.imagine being arrested by gsu or cid for traffic offences?this will make bribes unmanageable.
McReggae
#52 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:00:50 PM
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mawinder wrote:
I am with the matatu guys on this.let us revert to the old law.even owners of private cars should join the strike.imagine being arrested by gsu or cid for traffic offences?this will make bribes unmanageable.


King of Impunity is here!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
accelriskconsult
#53 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:03:09 PM
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maka wrote:
WWJD wrote:
@bwenyenye You are spot on!. The current traffic laws are punitive enough, but implementation is the problem. Our police force needs real reforms to enforce laws in this country. look at all those guns and other amunations finding their way into the country, especially from north eastern, and yet there are numerous police road blocks on the way.

...@bwenyenye,Elder and WWJD...i partly agree with you...but allow me to ask,I have driven for close to 10 years,i dont overlap,jump traffic lights ,obstruct other cars or drive dangerously not only me but countless other kenyan motorists also play it right...what makes us different when compared to those who do such things and break the law???its not like we will get a presidential award for doing the right things,we do the right things coz we are considerate about others,i dont need a written law to force me to put my car on the side when am offering someone a lift or dropping them off,i dont need a written law to force me to stop when the lights are red and pedestrians are crossing or use the appropriate lane when am on a roundabout...we need to grow up,courtesy and being considerate are things that we have thrown out of the window these days thats why we are forced to have stiff penalties that will ensure we tow the line...in my short lifetime i have seen good matatu drivers,the ones who signal when turning,dont speed,dont obstruct other motoriststs and generally dont behave like they own the roads...in the same lifetime i have also seen bad/rogue matatu drivers,those who cut infront of you whenever they want or deem it appropriate,those that tail gate you flashing their lights while also honking just coz u are driving at 80 kph on a road designated for that speed limit,those that chew miraa,mogoka,take kuber and tots of kenya king or napoleon while at the wheel or just before taking the wheel,those that break any imaginable traffic rule written or unwritten...if the bad cant be coerced into doing good by nation wide sensitization programs,govt funded seminars,consultative discussions then just like a potters clay let the whip be unleashed and by its cracking let them be shaped into doing good.


Have you ever been stopped on the highway while doing 80 KPH and told that you were driving at 120 KPH?

That is a very common occurrence and many drivers are going to fall victim to rogue cops.

And yes I support the new laws but the fines are contrary to the canons of a good taxation system - that a tax has to be reasonable otherwise no one will pay.

With the proposed fines, I see the government releasing murderers from prisons to create room for motorists who cant afford the fines.

dunkang
#54 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:22:43 PM
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imagine been pulled out of the road by a police officer for exceeding the speed limit whilst you are very sure you were not overspeeding, the officer is just trying to extort money from you.

This has happened to me thrice and anyone trying to dispute that officers will nyanyasa motorists dont drive or only drive in Nairobi potholled streets.

What i propose is the law to be clear on how he will prove touting, overspeeding, overlapping, running the traffic lights etc.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

maka
#55 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:38:18 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
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Location: Nairobi
accelriskconsult wrote:
maka wrote:
WWJD wrote:
@bwenyenye You are spot on!. The current traffic laws are punitive enough, but implementation is the problem. Our police force needs real reforms to enforce laws in this country. look at all those guns and other amunations finding their way into the country, especially from north eastern, and yet there are numerous police road blocks on the way.

...@bwenyenye,Elder and WWJD...i partly agree with you...but allow me to ask,I have driven for close to 10 years,i dont overlap,jump traffic lights ,obstruct other cars or drive dangerously not only me but countless other kenyan motorists also play it right...what makes us different when compared to those who do such things and break the law???its not like we will get a presidential award for doing the right things,we do the right things coz we are considerate about others,i dont need a written law to force me to put my car on the side when am offering someone a lift or dropping them off,i dont need a written law to force me to stop when the lights are red and pedestrians are crossing or use the appropriate lane when am on a roundabout...we need to grow up,courtesy and being considerate are things that we have thrown out of the window these days thats why we are forced to have stiff penalties that will ensure we tow the line...in my short lifetime i have seen good matatu drivers,the ones who signal when turning,dont speed,dont obstruct other motoriststs and generally dont behave like they own the roads...in the same lifetime i have also seen bad/rogue matatu drivers,those who cut infront of you whenever they want or deem it appropriate,those that tail gate you flashing their lights while also honking just coz u are driving at 80 kph on a road designated for that speed limit,those that chew miraa,mogoka,take kuber and tots of kenya king or napoleon while at the wheel or just before taking the wheel,those that break any imaginable traffic rule written or unwritten...if the bad cant be coerced into doing good by nation wide sensitization programs,govt funded seminars,consultative discussions then just like a potters clay let the whip be unleashed and by its cracking let them be shaped into doing good.


Have you ever been stopped on the highway while doing 80 KPH and told that you were driving at 120 KPH?

That is a very common occurrence and many drivers are going to fall victim to rogue cops.

And yes I support the new laws but the fines are contrary to the canons of a good taxation system - that a tax has to be reasonable otherwise no one will pay.

With the proposed fines, I see the government releasing murderers from prisons to create room for motorists who cant afford the fines.


...no i havent,and if it ever does happen i,l fight it out in court...so what amount of money is ok to pay as a fine??what you guys forget this thing is on a tiered basis 1st tym you are caught maybe 20k,next tym 50k and a suspension of drivg licence etc anyway tumeshindwa let the chaos and madness continue,kimunya is in talks with the matatu guys...what a country.btw i asked before where were they the months this thing was suggested??that kimutai guy was even at the breakfast meeting hosted by the minister,why dint they consult then...
possunt quia posse videntur
Mukiri
#56 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:39:59 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
Let the matatus be treated as organized crime! If GSU cannot handle them, call the military! Human lives are way more precious than profitPray

Proverbs 19:21
mawinder
#57 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:48:57 PM
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Joined: 4/30/2008
Posts: 6,029
accelriskconsult wrote:
maka wrote:
WWJD wrote:
@bwenyenye You are spot on!. The current traffic laws are punitive enough, but implementation is the problem. Our police force needs real reforms to enforce laws in this country. look at all those guns and other amunations finding their way into the country, especially from north eastern, and yet there are numerous police road blocks on the way.

...@bwenyenye,Elder and WWJD...i partly agree with you...but allow me to ask,I have driven for close to 10 years,i dont overlap,jump traffic lights ,obstruct other cars or drive dangerously not only me but countless other kenyan motorists also play it right...what makes us different when compared to those who do such things and break the law???its not like we will get a presidential award for doing the right things,we do the right things coz we are considerate about others,i dont need a written law to force me to put my car on the side when am offering someone a lift or dropping them off,i dont need a written law to force me to stop when the lights are red and pedestrians are crossing or use the appropriate lane when am on a roundabout...we need to grow up,courtesy and being considerate are things that we have thrown out of the window these days thats why we are forced to have stiff penalties that will ensure we tow the line...in my short lifetime i have seen good matatu drivers,the ones who signal when turning,dont speed,dont obstruct other motoriststs and generally dont behave like they own the roads...in the same lifetime i have also seen bad/rogue matatu drivers,those who cut infront of you whenever they want or deem it appropriate,those that tail gate you flashing their lights while also honking just coz u are driving at 80 kph on a road designated for that speed limit,those that chew miraa,mogoka,take kuber and tots of kenya king or napoleon while at the wheel or just before taking the wheel,those that break any imaginable traffic rule written or unwritten...if the bad cant be coerced into doing good by nation wide sensitization programs,govt funded seminars,consultative discussions then just like a potters clay let the whip be unleashed and by its cracking let them be shaped into doing good.


Have you ever been stopped on the highway while doing 80 KPH and told that you were driving at 120 KPH?

That is a very common occurrence and many drivers are going to fall victim to rogue cops.

And yes I support the new laws but the fines are contrary to the canons of a good taxation system - that a tax has to be reasonable otherwise no one will pay.

With the proposed fines, I see the government releasing murderers from prisons to create room for motorists who cant afford the fines.


if you cant afford orwant to pay a fraction of the fine you should know how to talk to the police officers.if hauled to court plead NOT guilty,get a good advocate,some money for cash bail or bond and you will win the case due to lack of evidence or failure to testify by the investigatimg officer and arresting officer who will be busy on the road.
mkeiyd
#58 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 3:31:01 PM
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Joined: 3/26/2012
Posts: 1,182
bwenyenye wrote:


Case in point.. what happened to the Mututho law? When was the last time they were enforced? Do you know why? They are someones cash cow now....

The real question is where were we when this law was being drafted... Oh yes I remember. We were discussing UHURUTORAOMDVD nonsense... Who will save Kenya?


@ bwenyenye, It will cost you more to keep on breaking the law,would it not be wise not to break the law?

I read your long post,may i ask you what would be the most ideal solution?
Behemoth
#59 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 3:54:08 PM
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Joined: 8/7/2012
Posts: 180
McReggae wrote:
Behemoth wrote:
McReggae wrote:
I always do 9kms in the morning.....had to do 35kms in 2 hrs 15mins!!!


Were u jogging? Coz I manage 10km in 50 minutes by walking.


Read again bana, Had to drop a close one!!!!


Thanks.I got u my bro.
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shygal
#60 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 4:28:53 PM
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Joined: 12/31/2011
Posts: 90
I think the hefty fines are just right. This goons called makanga's and their drivers should be made to feel as much pain as possible but the corrupt traffic cops should be dealt with too if things are going to work right. Let this 'unpleasant' laws to the matatu people, not turn out to be 'pleasant' laws to the policemen and a source of their enrichment. The issue of the traffic cop's wicked ways should be dealt with once and for all even as we deal with the matatu ruffians.
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