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After clicking 'quote' in order to respond, I saw 'Last 10 posts (In reverse order)
That gave me an idea and I edited and shelved my contribution.
If there was a 'christian candidate' would you, dear reader, vote for him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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YesuWangu wrote:After clicking 'quote' in order to respond, I saw 'Last 10 posts (In reverse order)
That gave me an idea and I edited and shelved my contribution.
If there was a 'christian candidate' would you, dear reader, vote for him?
Me? Vote for him/her? I wont! You? Why?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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YesuWangu wrote:YesuWangu wrote:After clicking 'quote' in order to respond, I saw 'Last 10 posts (In reverse order)
That gave me an idea and I edited and shelved my contribution.
If there was a 'christian candidate' would you, dear reader, vote for him?
Me? Vote for him/her? I wont! You? Why? @YesuWangu, Most candidates are Christian. Most voters are Christian. Meanwhile, if a writer like Blamires says that the Christian mind doesn't exist then the story gets more complicated. Hence my iron rule: We negotiate terms, agree and execute. And I must manage pay off actively. So, there's no discrimination for me.
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tycho wrote:@D32, I don't know how you'll find it, but you may know more of our presidential candidates than a person who's lived in Kenya all his life. And it is not that the person would wish to be ignorant; he watches the news daily.
Will this person vote? Will you vote now that you don't have sufficient moral information about our candidates?
If you say that you won't vote because you have insufficient data, and it is immoral to vote under such conditions; then very few Kenyans would be justified to vote. And not just for the presidency, but for all political positions.
Generally if we hold to what you seem to be suggesting then we should not consider our selves to be in a democracy.
But, as far as we are made to understand, we are in a democracy. Therefore it is immoral to act as if we are not in a democracy when we are.
But these arguments are true if you hold that morality and truth are either relative or absolute.
But in fact, truth and morality are both relative and absolute. And the two positions go hand in hand. This is what makes democracy and even humanity, possible and justifiable.
Truth and morality tends to be relative when an individual is viewing or consider a matter, and absolute when he has entered into conversation with another, or others and have come up with a covenant. This is why it is said that whatever is bound on earth, so is it in heaven.
It is this that makes God's morality absolute. For wherever two or more are gathered in his name. . .
Therefore, if we are to experience Goodness, if we are to uphold morality we need to be open to conversation in love, with all people. This is what will heal the sick and oppressed. This is a manifestation of the grace that allows us to be wrong and to grow.
So, even if homosexuality was wrong one would not be justified to react with anger, fear, or even mistrust to homosexuals or any other person for that matter.
On what grounds then should one be denied a vote? When there has been no conversation and or covenant. Any other reason is immoral. If the elections were now, I would not know who to vote for, but because the elections will be next year, I will have time to go through the archives. In order to go further in the discussion regarding truth and morality, the two questions raised in previous posts needs to be answered fully to the satisfaction of all parties, this is because the answer to those questions form the base from which our conclusions are derived from, and therefore, in order for our conclusions to harmonize, our base needs to as well. An example being the question that you asked at the end of the quoted post, if I had to answer it, I would have repeat what I have said in the past, that is why it is elementary for us do as suggested above. You have started to contribute on your views of the two question. I'll be working on the write-up, whenever I get the opportunity, till it's done, will post it, it may be soon or it may not, only then will we know if we can connect at that base level - coming from a perspective of morality being absolute. You added a spin by introducing "truth", guess that the write-up will also have to include the absoluteness and relativity of "truth", and the connection between truth and morality. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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YesuWangu wrote:YesuWangu wrote:After clicking 'quote' in order to respond, I saw 'Last 10 posts (In reverse order)
That gave me an idea and I edited and shelved my contribution.
If there was a 'christian candidate' would you, dear reader, vote for him?
Me? Vote for him/her? I wont! You? Why? I look at their fruits, not what they profess, and whoever has the best fruits, takes the vote. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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tycho wrote:YesuWangu wrote:YesuWangu wrote:After clicking 'quote' in order to respond, I saw 'Last 10 posts (In reverse order)
That gave me an idea and I edited and shelved my contribution.
If there was a 'christian candidate' would you, dear reader, vote for him?
Me? Vote for him/her? I wont! You? Why? @YesuWangu, Most candidates are Christian. Most voters are Christian. Meanwhile, if a writer like Blamires says that the Christian mind doesn't exist then the story gets more complicated. Hence my iron rule: We negotiate terms, agree and execute. And I must manage pay off actively. So, there's no discrimination for me. HA! Gotcha! Tycho. Focus. Dont be getting mixed up. Most candidates are christian and most voters are christian. But are they? @D32 has mentioned fruits. What fruits do these candidates and voters produce? Do you still want to insist they are christian? Anyway, that we can ask certain questions about a certain individual is in itself not necessarily a bad thing. That is negotiation. In negotiating, you need to agree as @D32 puts it i.e. you seek the best fruits. If the fruits fall short then ..... The 'iron rule' is good. If you negotiate and do not agree the candidate (gay, christian, or whatever) takes a hike and no hard feelings. Do not call it discrimination.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@YesuWangu, When I said that most candidates are Christian, I was pointing out that this is how they perceive themselves and profess to be.
But I added, Blamires' caveat, meaning I was looking at whether they are Christian indeed.
In the first paragraph I was wondering whether you were going to get answers from those who perceive themselves to be Christian . . . maybe I should have punctuated the word Christian, but would it be right to do so? I had a dilemma there.
But I like what you are doing. Keep me on my toes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@D32, I am waiting. Take your time.
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