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Housing Finance: HFCK a diamond in the rough
hisah
#101 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:43:33 PM
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Mr Market has beaten this counter despite what the fundies say... As for the cartoon, the momentum is downwards and the price leakage will continue for a while. Discount galore getting even better smile

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mwekez@ji
#102 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:11:43 PM
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This is a diamond. #Diamond #Diamond #Diamond
holycow
#103 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:09:18 PM
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I guess HFCK is paying for its past "sins" It was priced more than KCB back in 2007 with a PE of 35.
Below is a link.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc...ek-37-2007-xls-173k?da=y
youcan'tstopusnow
#104 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:07:06 AM
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holycow, after looking at that spreadsheet, I am now salivating in anticipation of the time the market will have such high P.E's again. Even agriculturals had double digit P.E's...


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mwekez@ji
#105 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:47:38 AM
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@holycow, today, HFCK is one great discount. Check todays spreadsheet smile

... and that index, 5560.23, is really nostalgic
S.Mutaga III
#106 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:15:22 AM
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Maybe hfck was a diamond but no longer is.I still cant fathom why it has ignored the bull market.There must be something we dont know...it has taken too long to rise...i wont touch this counter again...i guess the shares i have bought are enough coz am sure something is fishy and you guys are too blind to see.There is always a reason for everything.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
mwekez@ji
#107 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:33:25 AM
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the deal wrote:
Britak now known as Britam has been buying this stock like nothing, they now own about 21.3% of the firm compared to around 12.5% in 2010.


CBK prudentially restricts ownership of a bank to a maximum of 25% to any one person. Britak will most likely accumulate to that level. #Equity Bank currently holds 24.85% of HFCK. #Litle float being left
S.Mutaga III
#108 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:51:02 AM
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Little float of just over 50% of total shares assuming all the other investors are wanjiku and atieno,should translate to a rally...which isnt happening...britak said it was offloading some investments in the stock market...maybe its doing the opposite,it is selling,hence price remains low.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
mwekez@ji
#109 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:03:25 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Little float of just over 50% of total shares assuming all the other investors are wanjiku and atieno,should translate to a rally...which isnt happening...britak said it was offloading some investments in the stock market...maybe its doing the opposite,it is selling,hence price remains low.


@S.Mutaga, check the latest annual report and notice Britak entry into HFCK. Britak has exposure on other counters where it is reducing stake but in HFCK, its increasing.

On float, note GOK and NSSF hold 10.48% of HFCK. Also the anonymous No. 3 shareholder with 8.14% is staying put. #Work out the float now #also check daily turnover

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mwekez@ji
#110 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:48:18 AM
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To juice it, Britak has adapted HFCK as its associate by acquiring the additional stake which it had to pay an arm and a leg to attract the large investors who know the value of HFCK #cKES.27 in 2011 #Check Britak 2011 annual report # Synergy_Synergy
Aguytrying
#111 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:28:34 AM
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@mwekezaji. Let the doubters doubt. The below 14.50 is appetizing
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youcan'tstopusnow
#112 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:32:58 AM
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mwekezaji, so The 2 Brothers (Equity and Britak) now own 45 percent of the company. I just wonder if they have any sort of particular plan for it. Could it be that they still ''are not in HF for the dividends"?. Remember the boardroom coup they initiated when the chairman was not cooperating.
So Britak essentially paid twice the current market value of HF.
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Aguytrying
#113 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:33:12 AM
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PKoli wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
I want this stock in my portfolio, I can almost taste it!



@Aguy..I will follow you on this


Its hard to ignore
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mwekez@ji
#114 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:59:35 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
mwekezaji, so The 2 Brothers (Equity and Britak) now own 45 percent of the company. I just wonder if they have any sort of particular plan for it. Could it be that they still ''are not in HF for the dividends"?. Remember the boardroom coup they initiated when the chairman was not cooperating.
So Britak essentially paid twice the current market value of HF.


Indeed, It goes that the 2 brothers are not in HF for the dividends. There are in it for MORE and SYNERGY is the word here smile

I long to hear these 2 brothers giving us more details on this association.
S.Mutaga III
#115 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:05:18 PM
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I bought a good chunk at 13bob but am begining to think it is a value trap for investors.Considering that most banks are now offering morgages,the company my be awaiting some serious competition even from the private sector.Maybe it will not be a going concern in the next five years unless they diversify to other services.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
sparkly
#116 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:17:30 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
I bought a good chunk at 13bob but am begining to think it is a value trap for investors.Considering that most banks are now offering morgages,the company my be awaiting some serious competition even from the private sector.Maybe it will not be a going concern in the next five years unless they diversify to other services.


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guru267
#117 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:41:51 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
am begining to think it is a value trap for investors.Considering that most banks are now offering morgages,the company my be awaiting some serious competition even from the private sector.


I do not think it is a value trap but I do think S&L will steal market share from HFCK!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#118 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:25:26 AM
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Mortgage firm Housing
Finance has cut its lending rate by five percentage points in the race to growing its loan book through affordable credit.
The mortgage lender said it had cut its lending rate to 18 per cent from 23 per cent in what is linked to CBK’s monetary easing stance that has seen the Central Bank Rate drop by five percentage points to 13 per cent in about two months.
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/uotnai/-/index.html
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mwekez@ji
#119 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:50:00 AM
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The fruits of monetary easing are here. Time for the business to grow
Aguytrying
#120 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:32:54 PM
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Supply at 14.00. No one should in the future say " i wonder when i should have bought"
Now is the time
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