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sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 913
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maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... Seems these conserns were raised a while back. Boeing 787 documentary by Al Jazeera claims some employees are scared to fly on their own planeshttps://www.news.com.au/...ff63b2d2b2409bded9e54a5
https://www.youtube.com/...Yk&feature=youtu.be
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... KQ doesnt have them, they were planning to buy. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... KQ doesnt have them, they were planning to buy. Got you... KQ is behaving like an Arsenal fan we are always buying everyone....Then the season starts we have doen jack.... Just seen on Bloomberg that Vietnam Airways had an order for 200... Vietnam... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,134 Location: Nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... Seems these conserns were raised a while back. Boeing 787 documentary by Al Jazeera claims some employees are scared to fly on their own planeshttps://www.news.com.au/...ff63b2d2b2409bded9e54a5
https://www.youtube.com/...Yk&feature=youtu.be
737-800 MAX in trouble not the 787s Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 913
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VituVingiSana wrote:HaMaina wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... Seems these conserns were raised a while back. Boeing 787 documentary by Al Jazeera claims some employees are scared to fly on their own planeshttps://www.news.com.au/...ff63b2d2b2409bded9e54a5
https://www.youtube.com/...Yk&feature=youtu.be
737-800 MAX in trouble not the 787s Same manufacturer of the 787's, has staff who have raised issues with the planes, no evidence if they were sorted out or just transferred to new plane models like the 737-800 MAX. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... https://youtu.be/s0glSFfmeH4
Blubber mouths, manboobs clutching, etc is synonymous with failures, just like mumias, allqueer. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,134 Location: Nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:HaMaina wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... Seems these conserns were raised a while back. Boeing 787 documentary by Al Jazeera claims some employees are scared to fly on their own planeshttps://www.news.com.au/...ff63b2d2b2409bded9e54a5
https://www.youtube.com/...Yk&feature=youtu.be
737-800 MAX in trouble not the 787s Same manufacturer of the 787's, has staff who have raised issues with the planes, no evidence if they were sorted out or just transferred to new plane models like the 737-800 MAX. It's actually good to read the sensible stuff that's out there. To the best of my knowledge, the 787, which has been in service much longer, has not faced the issues the 737-800 MAX has given it is a DIFFERENT plane with DIFFERENT engines. Yes, they may share technology and platforms but they are different planes. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,568 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:HaMaina wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:HaMaina wrote:maka wrote:sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:Kenya Airways says it considers aborting its initial plan to buy Boeing 737 Max jets and acquire planes from Boeing’s rival Airbus SE Knee-jerk reaction. The Boeing engineers are obviously looking into the issue Knee jerk really? Now all of them are grounded for good... Boeing is going to pay a lot of money... Seems these conserns were raised a while back. Boeing 787 documentary by Al Jazeera claims some employees are scared to fly on their own planeshttps://www.news.com.au/...ff63b2d2b2409bded9e54a5
https://www.youtube.com/...Yk&feature=youtu.be
737-800 MAX in trouble not the 787s Same manufacturer of the 787's, has staff who have raised issues with the planes, no evidence if they were sorted out or just transferred to new plane models like the 737-800 MAX. It's actually good to read the sensible stuff that's out there. To the best of my knowledge, the 787, which has been in service much longer, has not faced the issues the 737-800 MAX has given it is a DIFFERENT plane with DIFFERENT engines. Yes, they may share technology and platforms but they are different planes. Had to check twice to confirm that it is a @vvs post. Kumbe you reason at times 😁
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 913
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What is causing Boeing 737 max 8's to CRASH?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jGNn2T_gyU
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,703 Location: NAIROBI
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Turudi kwa mjadala kuhusu shirika la ndege la KQ Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/3/2015 Posts: 118 Location: Nairobi
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Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 906 Location: sky
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Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? alot is going on behind the curtain, kq will be allowed to run KAA as per government wish but whether government will buy other shareholders is another story bearing in mind the financial position of government, but if they are writting off sugar companies debts to a tune of 86 billion what about strategic asset like kq There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,703 Location: NAIROBI
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littledove wrote:Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? alot is going on behind the curtain, kq will be allowed to run KAA as per government wish but whether government will buy other shareholders is another story bearing in mind the financial position of government, but if they are writting off sugar companies debts to a tune of 86 billion what about strategic asset like kq KQ debts can't be written off.They are loans to private comapnies.GoK can only take them over and lump it to the public debt. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,568 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:littledove wrote:Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? alot is going on behind the curtain, kq will be allowed to run KAA as per government wish but whether government will buy other shareholders is another story bearing in mind the financial position of government, but if they are writting off sugar companies debts to a tune of 86 billion what about strategic asset like kq KQ debts can't be written off.They are loans to private comapnies.GoK can only take them over and lump it to the public debt. GoK debt on the KQ books is the largest portion.. They only chose to remain at 48% shareholding, but they could have restructured upto 74% if that was their intent
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? Simple. Danderheadism. That's way red tape and shafting is so ripe here. If capital restructuring is rocket science to date whatelse do you expect inside here. Kenya is a major horticultural produce exporter, but allqueer is yet to figure out what that means. Everyone else is comfortable shafting allqueer and the wanjiku isn't perplexed. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,568 Location: nairobi
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littledove wrote:Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? alot is going on behind the curtain, kq will be allowed to run KAA as per government wish but whether government will buy other shareholders is another story bearing in mind the financial position of government, but if they are writting off sugar companies debts to a tune of 86 billion what about strategic asset like kq The KAA-KQ JKIA SPV will proceed as the house stands united under handshake.. The fact that tangatanga team have brought up PORK in the mentions will make it a do or die considering a full cabinet resolution was effected on the same.. Meanwhile remember KQ A is worth KES 8.52 while KQ B for minority shareholders is worth KES 21.5.. Until the Open Offer happens to create equilibrium, we will keep staring at a hung share
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? Interpretition = Taxpayers money will be used to buy off the bankers who own 38% of KQ. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,568 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? Interpretition = Taxpayers money will be used to buy off the bankers who own 38% of KQ. Unlikely. Remember that there is the Mandatory Convert plus GoK guarantee for all future lending to KQ. It will benefit a bank more to remain as a shareholder
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,703 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Musimo wrote:Two quick ones.
1. Government says they might look to buy back KQ and make it majority government owned shares-wise, KAA is government owned through and through. What would happen if KAA 'decided' to own shares in KQ, then give them 'preferential' treatment at all KAA airports (Read JKIA, MIA) KQ flies to, would this serve the same purpose as the proposed SPV KQ is targetting with KAA on JKIA (maybe MIA), in return for KQ making JKIA their hub (though KQ have no option on this)?
2. Why hasnt KQ gone out to revive/start cargo? most routes within the continent rely on cargo going out to European airports before it is flown back to the continent, that would be a fabulous starting point for them to commence and grow their cargo wing. Most airlines the would over sometimes rely on the cargo business to keep them going when the going gets tough, why not KQ? Interpretition = Taxpayers money will be used to buy off the bankers who own 38% of KQ. Unlikely. Remember that there is the Mandatory Convert plus GoK guarantee for all future lending to KQ. It will benefit a bank more to remain as a shareholder The bankers benefit more by getting their money right now than being shareholders. Banks are not in the business of owning shares in airlines KQ problems also come about from it's structural inefficiencies Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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