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radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign  We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities True. But pilots should always have (and look) at their navigation charts which have all the information on terrain, mountains etc. That way they wouldn't have flown at 11000ft while the mountain was 12000ft. You cant blame the truck driver who signalled you to overtake at a corner and you ended up in a head on collision. Your safety starts with you... .not the control tower.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Normally, the Kitale-Nairobi route should take an hour.
Aircrafts plying the area normally pass over Eldoret through to Njoro in Nakuru, followed by Naivasha through to Ngong Hills.
It is at this point that all aircrafts approaching Nairobi from Western Kenya get clearance to land.
The usual route preferred by most pilots is a safe corridor between the Mau Forest and the Aberdares.
It allows easy maneuver at 11000 feet above sea level, which is the the altitude that the ill-fated plane is said to have been.
The plane apparently detoured just after Nakuru into the Aberdare Forest, a route which is far off from the Nairobi-Kitale one.
This change of path only happens if there are obstacles along the way such as poor weather conditions.
KCAA has since confirmed that the last contact with the flight was at 5:02pm when they were seeking clearance to start descending in readiness for landing.
Experienced pilots however estimate that the plane instruments used to guide an airplane to a destination may have failed.
This means that the pilots were unable to tell where they were and the direction they were heading to.
Another theory is that the pilots may have been diverted to an un-familiar route.
It is suspected that the flight might have been at a high speed unable to gain height to overcome Aberdare Hills.
The pilots may however have gotten lost just after Nakuru unaware of their location given the bad weather.
KCAA Director General Gilbert Kibe in a statement said that investigations will focus on retrieving the wreckage of the plane to determine what may have happened.
According to engineers, Cessna planes ordinarily have no blackbox that would give leads as to what may have caused the crash
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities Every plane crash is investigated are in the so called majuu. If indeed it's a KCAA error then people should take responsibility. Actually let that license to fly direct to the US be delayed so that these so called professionals can work. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,256 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities Every plane crash is investigated are in the so called majuu. If indeed it's a KCAA error then people should take responsibility. Actually let that license to fly direct to the US be delayed so that these so called professionals can work. Talk of extremism
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Down to Wilson vs JKIA Quote:The Nation has established that Captain Barbara Wangeci, 28, radioed the control tower and was advised to land at JKIA from the Utawala side. However, she was not familiar with the route as she had always landed at Wilson Airport, and so the control tower at JKIA promised to help her navigate the Aberdare Forest towards a fix position known as Avena, and onwards towards JKIA, where she was to land on runway 24.
Ms Wangeci was flying at 11,000ft when she turned towards the mountain as instructed. Satima, the highest peak of the Aberdares, stood in her way at 13,120ft, while Elephant Hill, where the plane crashed, towered over her at 12,815 feet. With the fog blinding her, Ms Wangeci did not realise she was flying towards an outcrop.
NEW INSTRUCTIONS
“The last instruction was to route the Cessna to fix position Avena, which is 12 nautical miles from runway 24,” a source told us yesterday. In order to comply with the new instructions, and despite the poor visibility, Ms Wangeci turned towards the left, and “that explains why the aircraft crashed at 9,500 feet since she had not started the descent, as instructed”.
All odds, therefore, were stacked against Ms Wangeci, and her fate and that of her passengers were sealed by the fact that the Cessna Caravan she was flying does not have a moving map display to give her the actual location and warn her of any nearby outcrops.
Cessna Caravans are non pressurised, and because of that require a descent of 500 feet per minute for the comfort and health of passengers. That means Ms Wangeci had only 27 miles to lose some 3,000 feet in order to land at JKIA, and the aviators at Wilson say that after she turned left and began her descent, she crashed within two to three minutes, at 9,500 feet.
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hardwood wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities True. But pilots should always have (and look) at their navigation charts which have all the information on terrain, mountains etc. That way they wouldn't have flown at 11000ft while the mountain was 12000ft. You cant blame the truck driver who signalled you to overtake at a corner and you ended up in a head on collision. Your safety starts with you... .not the control tower. This is the honest truth. Which now narrows down to experience. The two pilots were just novice school girls which in our longuage we can then "kuruti" . That's what drove them into the mountain. If it was any other pilot he could have asked to turn back and not enter into a cloud in a mountainous region. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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mpobiz wrote:hardwood wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities True. But pilots should always have (and look) at their navigation charts which have all the information on terrain, mountains etc. That way they wouldn't have flown at 11000ft while the mountain was 12000ft. You cant blame the truck driver who signalled you to overtake at a corner and you ended up in a head on collision. Your safety starts with you... .not the control tower. This is the honest truth. Which now narrows down to experience. The two pilots were just novice school girls which in our longuage we can then "kuruti" . That's what drove them into the mountain. If it was any other pilot he could have asked to turn back and not enter into a cloud in a mountainous region. Ati you are equating flying a plane to driving a truck? Ai! Gerra ra here! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:Down to Wilson vs JKIA Quote:The Nation has established that Captain Barbara Wangeci, 28, radioed the control tower and was advised to land at JKIA from the Utawala side. However, she was not familiar with the route as she had always landed at Wilson Airport, and so the control tower at JKIA promised to help her navigate the Aberdare Forest towards a fix position known as Avena, and onwards towards JKIA, where she was to land on runway 24.
Ms Wangeci was flying at 11,000ft when she turned towards the mountain as instructed. Satima, the highest peak of the Aberdares, stood in her way at 13,120ft, while Elephant Hill, where the plane crashed, towered over her at 12,815 feet. With the fog blinding her, Ms Wangeci did not realise she was flying towards an outcrop.
NEW INSTRUCTIONS
“The last instruction was to route the Cessna to fix position Avena, which is 12 nautical miles from runway 24,” a source told us yesterday. In order to comply with the new instructions, and despite the poor visibility, Ms Wangeci turned towards the left, and “that explains why the aircraft crashed at 9,500 feet since she had not started the descent, as instructed”.
All odds, therefore, were stacked against Ms Wangeci, and her fate and that of her passengers were sealed by the fact that the Cessna Caravan she was flying does not have a moving map display to give her the actual location and warn her of any nearby outcrops.
Cessna Caravans are non pressurised, and because of that require a descent of 500 feet per minute for the comfort and health of passengers. That means Ms Wangeci had only 27 miles to lose some 3,000 feet in order to land at JKIA, and the aviators at Wilson say that after she turned left and began her descent, she crashed within two to three minutes, at 9,500 feet. Ehe! Who is heading this investigation? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:mpobiz wrote:hardwood wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:radiomast wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote: Quote: Initial investigations into the plane crash that killed 10 people on Tuesday evening points to a possibility that the ill-fated aircraft may have been misled by the control tower in Nairobi to plunge into a doomed flight path.
After the wreckage of the FlySax aircraft was located yesterday morning strewn in dense mountainous jungle in Aberdare Ranges, emerging details last evening indicated its two pilots may have been led to fly low in zero visibility and crash into the side of the mountain.
Multiple reports from Kenya Wildlife Service, Kenya Police, aviation authorities and various security agencies said there was high possibility the 28-year-old pilot, Captain Barbara Wangeci Kamau who was on the controls, was guided to fly at 11,000 feet instead of 15,000 feet above sea level that would have been the requisite height to clear the brow of the rugged ranges on the flight path. http://www.mediamaxnetwo...misled-to-death-plunge/ If this is true, someone should resign. KCAA is the organization that is delaying the status of flying direct to the US. Eti someone should resign We Kenyans have such low standards for accountability. And if you know Kenyans, nobody will resign from this. In a civilized country that's not a sheet-hole, the person would be fired for negligence, investigated and possibly charged with manslaughter depending on the results of the investigation. The entire department would be overhauled and those who remain would be sent for retraining. wacheni zenyu, small planes crash even in your so called civilized world due to bad weather. Its just an accident just the same as a bus travelling to say western kenya can crash can cause fatalities True. But pilots should always have (and look) at their navigation charts which have all the information on terrain, mountains etc. That way they wouldn't have flown at 11000ft while the mountain was 12000ft. You cant blame the truck driver who signalled you to overtake at a corner and you ended up in a head on collision. Your safety starts with you... .not the control tower. This is the honest truth. Which now narrows down to experience. The two pilots were just novice school girls which in our longuage we can then "kuruti" . That's what drove them into the mountain. If it was any other pilot he could have asked to turn back and not enter into a cloud in a mountainous region. Ati you are equating flying a plane to driving a truck? Ai! Gerra ra here! driving a truck is more complex, pilots are guided in everything. 
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