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kaimbaga2012 wrote:wukan wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Prices seem to be falling across the board. For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms. Dollar shorts are being squeezed and the frontier markets are the first assets to be dumped to cover the margin call. Don't catch falling knives. Which shares would you recommend one to buy as the prices come down I'm more of a trader so i would be the worst person to recommend the shares to buy.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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winmak wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Prices seem to be falling across the board. For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms. Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment) i have held kcb for the last three years. My current dividend yield is 7%. My current Abp is 38.20 which is 37% capital gains on the current price of 52.50. Buy kcb and hold it for long. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,708 Location: nairobi
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wukan wrote:kaimbaga2012 wrote:wukan wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Prices seem to be falling across the board. For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms. Dollar shorts are being squeezed and the frontier markets are the first assets to be dumped to cover the margin call. Don't catch falling knives. Which shares would you recommend one to buy as the prices come down I'm more of a trader so i would be the worst person to recommend the shares to buy. Same here COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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winmak wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Prices seem to be falling across the board. For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms. Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment) This is a time to hold/sell. Not good for buying Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/1/2007 Posts: 539 Location: Nakuru
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sparkly wrote:winmak wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Prices seem to be falling across the board. For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms. Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment) This is a time to hold/sell. Not good for buying A pending order of coop at 18 just went through For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,188 Location: Nairobi
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https://www.businessdail...20872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,188 Location: Nairobi
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This could be interesting but not easy to pull off in Kenya. REITs haven't really taken off despite the tax advantages. https://www.businessdail...520810-hsxmyu/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Mwanyasi has a penchant of writing half-baked stuff on newspapers ignoring the fact that many wanjiku/laymen read his articles. The highlighted phrase above is one typical example of how a newspaper columnist can mislead the uneducated masses. While the statement might ring true on some counters( i.e., those with consistent growth/profitability, those that are less risky and with top notch management),this statement is totally false for some counters in the NSE which have consistently been reporting losses with no hope for profitability or growth in earnings in the next five years. Examples of such bad stocks in the NSE abound.Actually 70% of listed companies in the NSE are very risky investments due to corruption(e.g., Government controlled stocks such as Kenya power,Kengen, Mumias, Kenya re etc), others due to bad management/corporate governance e.g.,NBK, Deacons etc. Therefore, i advise wazuans to evaluate what to hold for longterm carefully lest they loose their hard earned cash Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,188 Location: Nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Mwanyasi has a penchant of writing half-baked stuff on newspapers ignoring the fact that many wanjiku/laymen read his articles. The highlighted phrase above is one typical example of how a newspaper columnist can mislead the uneducated masses. While the statement might ring true on some counters( i.e., those with consistent growth/profitability, those that are less risky and with top notch management),this statement is totally false for some counters in the NSE which have consistently been reporting losses with no hope for profitability or growth in earnings in the next five years. Examples of such bad stocks in the NSE abound.Actually 70% of listed companies in the NSE are very risky investments due to corruption(e.g., Government controlled stocks such as Kenya power,Kengen, Mumias, Kenya re etc), others due to bad management/corporate governance e.g.,NBK, Deacons etc. Therefore, i advise wazuans to evaluate what to hold for longterm carefully lest they loose their hard earned cash Choosing a wonderful firm at a fair price goes without saying. As you say "with top notch management" is a huge factor. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,610
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[quote=VituVingiSana]This could be interesting but not easy to pull off in Kenya. REITs haven't really taken off despite the tax advantages. https://www.businessdail...20810-hsxmyu/index.html[/quote] Kenya's real estate sector is still relatively young. The first formal REIT came to the back only a couple of years. When I look at the informal reits that own the River road areas of the city I can say they've really taken off. They pay very good 'dividends' every year without fail. To pull of the D-Reit it's better to work with the saccos instead of pension scheme. Pension schemes trustees are risk averse.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,188 Location: Nairobi
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$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett https://www.yahoo.com/am..._twitter_impression=trueGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,708 Location: nairobi
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@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, Quencher, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ.. COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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obiero wrote:@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ.. Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Pesa Nane wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, KimboUnilever, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ.. Unilever used to be listed on NSE back in the day. Why the NSE honchos are unable to attract such quality firms(the real FMCGs...hizi ziko NSE sahii ni bandia) beats me Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,610
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse.  Exactly chase yields not the prestige of owning dead assets. If a stock is yielding you 1-5% yield you are better investing in a govt bond of 12% or a rental property of 9% yield. That capital gain of waiting 5 years to be rewarded immensely is just the same.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,769 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse. @vvs will hear none of that. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html
Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse. Imagine if you bought the following NSE 'Blue Chips' and went away: 1. A Baumann 2. African Lakes Corporation. 3. African Tours and Hotels Ltd 4. Atlas Africa. 5. Brooke bond Kenya Ltd. 6. Chancery Investment Ltd. 7. City Brewery Investments Ltd 8. Consolidated Holdings Ltd. 9. E. A. Bag & Cordage Co.Ltd. 10. E. A. Oxygen Ltd. 11. E. A. Packaging Industries Ltd. 12. E. A. Road Services Ltd. 13. East African Packaging Ltd 14. Elliot’s Bakery Ltd. 15. Hutching Biemer 16. Kenstock Ltd. 17. Kenya Co-operative Cremaries. 18. Kenya Finance Corporation. 19. Kenya Hotels Ltd. 20. Kenya National Mills Ltd. 21. Kenya Planters Co-operative. 22. Motor Mart Group Ltd. 23. Ol Pajeta Ranching Ltd. 24. Pearl Dry cleaners Ltd. 25. Philips Harrison & Crossifield. 26. Sofar Investment Ltd. 27. Theta Group Ltd. 28. TimSales 29. Unilever Kenya Ltd Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,708 Location: nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:Pesa Nane wrote:obiero wrote:@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, KimboUnilever, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ.. Unilever used to be listed on NSE back in the day. Why the NSE honchos are unable to attract such quality firms(the real FMCGs...hizi ziko NSE sahii ni bandia) beats me Akina FTG. Not sure what Kurwitu does for a living. These are the securities they have left us with at the NSE and more delisting requests still coming in.. Jesus take the wheel COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,188 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, Quencher, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ.. Schumpter. Elliots was never listed. Neither was KCC. Kimbo, Quencher are brands. One can't win every game. One has to look in on their firms re: management quality, industry, etc. The goal is to pick some wonderful firms. And monitor them. Barclays & Stanchart has done very well for the original IPO shareholders but BBK sadly lost the plot to the likes of Equity. KQ - You know what happened. Unga - It lost the plot in the 2000s and competition has increased though Unga is doing better now. We do not know what will happen in the next 1 month let alone 70 years. That's why choose firms which have good fundamentals and management. Then keep looking in! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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