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Madness at the NSE
wukan
#1161 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:13:03 PM
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kaimbaga2012 wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Prices seem to be falling across the board.
For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms.


Dollar shorts are being squeezed and the frontier markets are the first assets to be dumped to cover the margin call. Don't catch falling knives.



Which shares would you recommend one to buy as the prices come down


I'm more of a trader so i would be the worst person to recommend the shares to buy.
Ebenyo
#1162 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:26:15 PM
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winmak wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Prices seem to be falling across the board.
For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms.

Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment)



i have held kcb for the last three years.
My current dividend yield is 7%.
My current Abp is 38.20 which is 37% capital gains on the current price of 52.50.
Buy kcb and hold it for long.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
obiero
#1163 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:34:17 PM
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wukan wrote:
kaimbaga2012 wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Prices seem to be falling across the board.
For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms.


Dollar shorts are being squeezed and the frontier markets are the first assets to be dumped to cover the margin call. Don't catch falling knives.



Which shares would you recommend one to buy as the prices come down


I'm more of a trader so i would be the worst person to recommend the shares to buy.

Same here

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
sparkly
#1164 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:46:48 PM
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winmak wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Prices seem to be falling across the board.
For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms.

Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment)


This is a time to hold/sell. Not good for buying
Life is short. Live passionately.
winmak
#1165 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:52:06 PM
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sparkly wrote:
winmak wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Prices seem to be falling across the board.
For many who have cash on the sidelines, this might a good time to buy share in SELECTED firms.

Suggest 2 which are within reasonable price (all good firms seem overpriced at the moment)


This is a time to hold/sell. Not good for buying


A pending order of coop at 18 just went through Drool
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
VituVingiSana
#1166 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 10:37:42 AM
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https://www.businessdail...20872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1167 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 10:40:34 AM
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This could be interesting but not easy to pull off in Kenya. REITs haven't really taken off despite the tax advantages. https://www.businessdail...520810-hsxmyu/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Fyatu
#1168 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:59:37 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.


Mwanyasi has a penchant of writing half-baked stuff on newspapers ignoring the fact that many wanjiku/laymen read his articles. The highlighted phrase above is one typical example of how a newspaper columnist can mislead the uneducated masses. While the statement might ring true on some counters( i.e., those with consistent growth/profitability, those that are less risky and with top notch management),this statement is totally false for some counters in the NSE which have consistently been reporting losses with no hope for profitability or growth in earnings in the next five years. Examples of such bad stocks in the NSE abound.Actually 70% of listed companies in the NSE are very risky investments due to corruption(e.g., Government controlled stocks such as Kenya power,Kengen, Mumias, Kenya re etc), others due to bad management/corporate governance e.g.,NBK, Deacons etc. Therefore, i advise wazuans to evaluate what to hold for longterm carefully lest they loose their hard earned cash
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#1169 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:05:27 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.

Mwanyasi has a penchant of writing half-baked stuff on newspapers ignoring the fact that many wanjiku/laymen read his articles. The highlighted phrase above is one typical example of how a newspaper columnist can mislead the uneducated masses. While the statement might ring true on some counters( i.e., those with consistent growth/profitability, those that are less risky and with top notch management),this statement is totally false for some counters in the NSE which have consistently been reporting losses with no hope for profitability or growth in earnings in the next five years. Examples of such bad stocks in the NSE abound.Actually 70% of listed companies in the NSE are very risky investments due to corruption(e.g., Government controlled stocks such as Kenya power,Kengen, Mumias, Kenya re etc), others due to bad management/corporate governance e.g.,NBK, Deacons etc. Therefore, i advise wazuans to evaluate what to hold for longterm carefully lest they loose their hard earned cash

Choosing a wonderful firm at a fair price goes without saying. As you say "with top notch management" is a huge factor.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
wukan
#1170 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:37:08 PM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]This could be interesting but not easy to pull off in Kenya. REITs haven't really taken off despite the tax advantages. https://www.businessdail...20810-hsxmyu/index.html[/quote]

Kenya's real estate sector is still relatively young. The first formal REIT came to the back only a couple of years. When I look at the informal reits that own the River road areas of the city I can say they've really taken off. They pay very good 'dividends' every year without fail. To pull of the D-Reit it's better to work with the saccos instead of pension scheme. Pension schemes trustees are risk averse.
VituVingiSana
#1171 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:37:10 AM
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$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am..._twitter_impression=true
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1172 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:47:53 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am...twitter_impression=true

@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, Quencher, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ..

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Pesa Nane
#1173 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:32:01 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am...twitter_impression=true

@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ..

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Fyatu
#1174 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:40:46 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am...twitter_impression=true

@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, KimboUnilever, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ..




Unilever used to be listed on NSE back in the day. Why the NSE honchos are unable to attract such quality firms(the real FMCGs...hizi ziko NSE sahii ni bandia) beats me
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
sparkly
#1175 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:41:50 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.


Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse.
Life is short. Live passionately.
wukan
#1176 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:24:58 AM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.


Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse.


Applause Exactly chase yields not the prestige of owning dead assets. If a stock is yielding you 1-5% yield you are better investing in a govt bond of 12% or a rental property of 9% yield. That capital gain of waiting 5 years to be rewarded immensely is just the same.
Ericsson
#1177 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:55:18 AM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.


Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse.


@vvs will hear none of that.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Pesa Nane
#1178 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:15:06 AM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/ideas/When-is-right-selling-time-/4259414-4520872-uk44fq/index.html

Mwanyasi: Ignoring the market’s ups and downs entirely and remaining patient for a period lasting more than five years should reward you immensely.


Ignore market ups and downs at your own peril. You profit more if you buy in a low PE, high DY market and sell in the converse.


Imagine if you bought the following NSE 'Blue Chips' and went away:

1. A Baumann
2. African Lakes Corporation.
3. African Tours and Hotels Ltd
4. Atlas Africa.
5. Brooke bond Kenya Ltd.
6. Chancery Investment Ltd.
7. City Brewery Investments Ltd
8. Consolidated Holdings Ltd.
9. E. A. Bag & Cordage Co.Ltd.
10. E. A. Oxygen Ltd.
11. E. A. Packaging Industries Ltd.
12. E. A. Road Services Ltd.
13. East African Packaging Ltd
14. Elliot’s Bakery Ltd.
15. Hutching Biemer
16. Kenstock Ltd.
17. Kenya Co-operative Cremaries.
18. Kenya Finance Corporation.
19. Kenya Hotels Ltd.
20. Kenya National Mills Ltd.
21. Kenya Planters Co-operative.
22. Motor Mart Group Ltd.
23. Ol Pajeta Ranching Ltd.
24. Pearl Dry cleaners Ltd.
25. Philips Harrison & Crossifield.
26. Sofar Investment Ltd.
27. Theta Group Ltd.
28. TimSales
29. Unilever Kenya Ltd
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
obiero
#1179 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:11:49 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am...twitter_impression=true

@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, KimboUnilever, QuencherTreetop, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ..




Unilever used to be listed on NSE back in the day. Why the NSE honchos are unable to attract such quality firms(the real FMCGs...hizi ziko NSE sahii ni bandia) beats me

Akina FTG. Not sure what Kurwitu does for a living. These are the securities they have left us with at the NSE and more delisting requests still coming in.. Jesus take the wheel

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#1180 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:22:35 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
$114 to $400,000 by Warren Buffett
https://www.yahoo.com/am...twitter_impression=true

@vvs could this hold true for Kenya really.. A good number of yesteryears heavy weight companies are no longer even operating and those in existence have been rattled by competition, think of Elliotts, KCC, Uchumi, Kimbo, Quencher, Barclays, Stanchart, Unga, KQ..

Schumpter.
Elliots was never listed. Neither was KCC.
Kimbo, Quencher are brands.

One can't win every game. One has to look in on their firms re: management quality, industry, etc.

The goal is to pick some wonderful firms. And monitor them.
Barclays & Stanchart has done very well for the original IPO shareholders but BBK sadly lost the plot to the likes of Equity.

KQ - You know what happened.

Unga - It lost the plot in the 2000s and competition has increased though Unga is doing better now.

We do not know what will happen in the next 1 month let alone 70 years. That's why choose firms which have good fundamentals and management. Then keep looking in!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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