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#571 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 6:36:09 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
House for 6mn with a deposit (down-payment) of 1mn = Loan for 5mn

Assuming no principal payments in Year 1 means interest at 16% [HFCK] before other closing costs is 800,000 per year.


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#572 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:37:51 AM
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#573 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:44:02 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
House for 6mn with a deposit (down-payment) of 1mn = Loan for 5mn

Assuming no principal payments in Year 1 means interest at 16% [HFCK] before other closing costs is 800,000 per year OR 66,666 per month.

Add the following: Land Rates/Rent, Maintenance, Security, etc which can easily add 3,333/month to the cost.

So the minimum cash outflow in Year 1 is 70,000. At a tax rate of 30% the 'owner' needs to make 100,000 per month just to pay the mortgage. What about other expenses???

...that is why we have very few mortgages,with such a monthly payment ua take home must be very healthy...
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Chaka
#574 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:14:07 AM
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Have seen an Ad in today's DN by CIC regarding the purchase of 417 acres of land at Isinya at Kshs 723 Million i.e Kshs 1,733,812 p.a.Isn't this rather steep for land at Isinya??
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#575 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:35:38 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=BGL]CIC Insurance acquires Sh1 billion land for real estate

http://www.businessdaily...2/-/yk6ymo/-/index.html[/quote] Like everyone else.


I usually wonder if an investment idea is working so well and everyone starts doing it, will it continue to work(or be as profitable) in the future?? i dont think so
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#576 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:41:21 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
House for 6mn with a deposit (down-payment) of 1mn = Loan for 5mn

Assuming no principal payments in Year 1 means interest at 16% [HFCK] before other closing costs is 800,000 per year OR 66,666 per month.

Add the following: Land Rates/Rent, Maintenance, Security, etc which can easily add 3,333/month to the cost.

So the minimum cash outflow in Year 1 is 70,000. At a tax rate of 30% the 'owner' needs to make 100,000 per month just to pay the mortgage. What about other expenses???


After doing some calculations i realised it doesnt make economic sense to chase owning a house in Nairobi. It may be the only thing you do till you retire. Either land prices will come down or stabilise and incomes catch up.

What sense is there in buying a house that is double its real cost and taking a mortgage that will see you paying double the cost at the end of the term loan? this is just making banks and existing land owners filthy rich at ones own expense
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#577 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:51:15 AM
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It costs about 2million to construct a bungalow and about 3m - 3.5 for a standard maissonnete , if You have a plot in Kitengela/ Ruiru / Isinya it would be wise to seek a construction loan , but how many banks are offering construction loans and at what rate?
hisah
#578 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:52:17 AM
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Price action since 3.05/- got interesting. 4 - 4.50/- level will be telling if that barrier region is vaulted despite the expensive P/E.
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hisah
#579 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:12:04 PM
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And a high of 4/- trades (15.94%). Keep watching...
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#580 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36:40 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
http://bit.ly/WQNfD4


Thanks for the pdf. I'm wondering. why is CiC telling shareholders to exercise caution, because they have bought land? If they were selling it would make more sense. this to me is just a way of giving the shares a boost (and its working)
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