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2012 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why was the ID stolen if it was premeditated? But I think Jowi thought it was a small time job which turned out nasty for him. As we say in our language, the outcome caught his mouth. Poor boy work for your money. I also believe the same. He underestimated the job and if he's a scapegoat, then he is perfect. So why did the job go murderous? And why the deliberate horror? Opportunistic robberies gone bad don't present like this case normally.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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tycho wrote:2012 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why was the ID stolen if it was premeditated? But I think Jowi thought it was a small time job which turned out nasty for him. As we say in our language, the outcome caught his mouth. Poor boy work for your money. I also believe the same. He underestimated the job and if he's a scapegoat, then he is perfect. So why did the job go murderous? And why the deliberate horror? Opportunistic robberies gone bad don't present like this case normally. Probably the girl identified them and started talking 'big'. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I wonder how this Jennings was arrested if Jowie isn't speaking.
Could the witch-TZ story have been a decoy on the newspapers, meant to stop the real Jennings from running? Or did Jennings in fact go to TZ and back?
If we draw a timeline, when does Jennings start being mentioned? After how long is he arrested? What's in fact happening in this gap in Jennings's world?
If in fact it's Jennings who killed Monicah, what's his source of confidence that after exchanging dollars and fleeing to TZ and back in a flash, all will be well for him?
Or he didn't flee. After the murder, he reported back on duty.
Even this Jennings appears to be mentally sick if he is the one who did it...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:tycho wrote:2012 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why was the ID stolen if it was premeditated? But I think Jowi thought it was a small time job which turned out nasty for him. As we say in our language, the outcome caught his mouth. Poor boy work for your money. I also believe the same. He underestimated the job and if he's a scapegoat, then he is perfect. So why did the job go murderous? And why the deliberate horror? Opportunistic robberies gone bad don't present like this case normally. Probably the girl identified them and started talking 'big'. I think she knew them already, no? Jennings, Jowie and Monicah must have been friends. So if the two men knew there was some cash, and that's what they wanted then they'd have either sent in other people to do the job, or deliberately intended to kill Monica. And the killing would have to exonerate them. They'd work hard to create a cover. Let's just consider the probabilities, that would pass a 'reasonableness' test. Ama we are talking about people who can't pass the test?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:tycho wrote:2012 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why was the ID stolen if it was premeditated? But I think Jowi thought it was a small time job which turned out nasty for him. As we say in our language, the outcome caught his mouth. Poor boy work for your money. I also believe the same. He underestimated the job and if he's a scapegoat, then he is perfect. So why did the job go murderous? And why the deliberate horror? Opportunistic robberies gone bad don't present like this case normally. Probably the girl identified them and started talking 'big'. I think she knew them already, no? Jennings, Jowie and Monicah must have been friends. So if the two men knew there was some cash, and that's what they wanted then they'd have either sent in other people to do the job, or deliberately intended to kill Monica. And the killing would have to exonerate them. They'd work hard to create a cover. Let's just consider the probabilities, that would pass a 'reasonableness' test. Ama we are talking about people who can't pass the test? Remember time was not on their side as she was supposed to be off to Dubai next day or so? Had to be done that night. Probably another contributing factor that brought in the sloppiness. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I think the detail(s) of the crime scene show there was a lot of time in and for its execution.
Again robberies don't take too much time. It's normally a quick job. If the two planned it then they'd have done a quick job fitting the situation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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You can plan but execution is interfered with by external factors. Remember, according to gazette ya kufunga nyama' there were '2' other visitors whom probably the planners and executors had not taken into account & probably 'ate' into re-assessment & execution time - derailment galore. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:You can plan but execution is interfered with by external factors. Remember, according to gazette ya kufunga nyama' there were '2' other visitors whom probably the planners and executors had not taken into account & probably 'ate' into re-assessment & execution time - derailment galore. When there are complications, true, the outcome is affected. So you go for simplification. Not complication. Monica's crime scene is complicated not simple. There's sex/rape, tying of a person, then cutting from ear to ear. One stab or two in the right place would have killed her quickly. The crime scene is speaking to us (if at all the reports are correct). The narrative we're building doesn't fit. Even the DCI's reports are puzzling. For example, if you're an investigator, why make an arrest after n days of investigations and still ask for another 2 weeks? If we want to investigate this case then let's go do it in fact, but these stories and speculations we're building have doubtful value.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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I don't know why people like complicating matters. And creating red herrings. Listen 1. Jowie was with Monica when her head was cut off 2. The Orlando guy was in the car when Jowie was in the same place as point 1. (I assure you he shall be state witness) 3. Jowie ran to Maribe, in Maribe's car and even hid Monica's stuff with Maribe 4. Maribe and Jowie were shopping for a hospital pretending that he had been hijacked by thugs. Stop complicating issues with Sudan, ohhh, Christian, ohhh safi kama pamba. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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According to Orlando Jennings From theStar wrote:
Jennings Orlando said he did not accompany Irungu, aka Jowie, to the Kilimani house the night before her body was discovered. Police are contemplating using him as a state witness.
He told investigators how he met Jowie at a bar in Nairobi before he [Jowie] went to Monica’s house
Sources familiar with the investigations said the policeman and Irungu met in Nairobi on September 19.
Orlando told homicide detectives that Irungu had called him from his Ruiru place of work and asked that they meet him in Nairobi for a drink.
The two proceeded to a Kilimani bar where they stayed there from around 6pm until 8pm.
They were also in the company of two women who have also been questioned by the police.
At around 8pm, Jowie told Orlando that he wanted to visit a friend in Kilimani who had come from South Sudan.
The two drove in Maribe’s car. Jowie drove the vehicle and dropped Orlando at a petrol station in Kilimani and asked Orlando to wait for him. The station also had a bar.
Jowie returned at around 11pm but did not discuss anything about Monica, Orlando said.
Orlando was arrested by the police on Friday after forensic probe into Jowie’s mobile phone revealed the two were in communication before and after the murder.
He told investigators he had known Jowie for only three months and denied stepping foot in Monica’s residence.
Orlando told the police he was shocked to learn of Jowie’s arrest in connection with the murder.
Asked why he had not volunteered information to the police, Orlando said he was in shock after learning of the incident.
He doesnt talk about the money he exchanged at Eastleigh. I do not think a police officer would run away and hide for that long if he was innocent. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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