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sparkly		#551 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 2:05:34 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? Life is short. Live passionately.
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KulaRaha		#552 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 2:22:50 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514		sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...capital-bridge-financing Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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sparkly		#553 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 2:43:10 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: [quote=KulaRaha]So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing[/quote] Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Pesa Nane		#554 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 3:33:18 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c		sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Pesa Nane		#555 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 3:42:34 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c		Kshs. 82 BILLION Cytonn Real Estate at a glance: Amara Ridge, Karen: 100% complete, Fully sold The Alma, Ruaka: 64% complete, 55% sold NewTown, Athi River: Yet to break ground, 5% sold Taraji Heights, Ruaka: 33% complete, 14% sold The Ridge, Ridgeways: Ground breaking, Ph.1 37% sold Situ Village, Ololua: Yet to break ground, 26% sold (matters in court) Project Westlands, Westlands: Yet to break ground, Nil sales RiverRun Estate, Ruiru: Ground breaking, 11% sold Cytonn Towers, Kilimani: Yet to break ground, Ph.1 20% sold. Legal hurdles likely Applewood, Miotoni: Yet to break ground, Nil sales Red = Construction / Sales below 50% Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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sparkly		#556 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 9:26:08 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		Pesa Nane wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... I will continue if I get a retainer from Cytonn Life is short. Live passionately.
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obiero		#557 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2018 9:39:11 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,316 Location: nairobi		sparkly wrote: Pesa Nane wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... I will continue if I get a retainer from Cytonn They have now changed the name of Cytonn Cash Management to Cytonn High Yield.. What's in a name? Your guess is as good as mine COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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sparkly		#558 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:31:59 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi		obiero wrote: sparkly wrote: Pesa Nane wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... I will continue if I get a retainer from Cytonn They have now changed the name of Cytonn Cash Management to Cytonn High Yield.. What's in a name? Your guess is as good as mine Btw Nabo/Centum also has a CMS type of product for the real estate business. They pay interest at 21% but it is only available to managed account investors with KShs 50m or more. Life is short. Live passionately.
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obiero		#559 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:58:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,316 Location: nairobi		sparkly wrote: obiero wrote: sparkly wrote: Pesa Nane wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? 21% rate of return in this market is simply black magic.. For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... I will continue if I get a retainer from Cytonn They have now changed the name of Cytonn Cash Management to Cytonn High Yield.. What's in a name? Your guess is as good as mine Btw Nabo/Centum also has a CMS type of product for the real estate business. They pay interest at 21% but it is only available to managed account investors with KShs 50m or more. 21% rate of return in this market is simply black magic COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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Swenani		#560 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 10:14:11 AM
Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum		obiero wrote: sparkly wrote: obiero wrote: sparkly wrote: Pesa Nane wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: KulaRaha wrote: sparkly wrote: tom_boy wrote: KulaRaha wrote: So Cytonn knows that their 18% return is fishy as hell...they hear it all the time, its a public conversation. however, in a ponzi, its almost impossible to reduce the rate because its only the rate that attracts suckers... Just like how Chase and Imperial used to attract depositors...see how much KTDA et al lost in those two junk banks. Nail on the head How is it fishy when the rates for privately arranged unsecured debt ranges from 13%-22%? Even the cancelled Home Afrika Bond was 17%. You have answered your own question @Kularaha do you know people people even borrow at 10% per month to close cashflow gaps? 21% rate of return in this market is simply black magic.. For this discussion, I define cash flow gap as the difference between the timing of cash inflows and outflows. ... For profitable operations, the financing of a cash flow gap is temporary in nature and is effectively bridge financing where the beginning and the end of a cash flow gap is clearly defined. http://blog.businessfina...apital-bridge-financing Ok you win. Demonstrate to us how your own business is faring. You were doing so well until...... I will continue if I get a retainer from Cytonn They have now changed the name of Cytonn Cash Management to Cytonn High Yield.. What's in a name? Your guess is as good as mine Btw Nabo/Centum also has a CMS type of product for the real estate business. They pay interest at 21% but it is only available to managed account investors with KShs 50m or more. 21% rate of return in this market is simply black magic Shida ya kuzoea negative returns in KQ Do you want to say that the guys who take loans at +15% p.a are making losses or how are they able to pay off the loan+interest, pay operational costs and still make a profit? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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