Then Chelshit.

I think you misunderstood my post, what i was trying to bring out is that L'fool fans want their team back in Europe. EPL participation is almost guaranteed but they have to work hard to gain CL status....Like i said the CL (unlike EPL) is not just about winning the title in May.

"If you get in the Champions League it's extra funds, it's extra money, it's better players and I think that gives you a far better chance in the future to be successful. Medium to long-term if you want to compete with the best teams, you have to play in the Champions League....You can't really compete with the top teams and attract the best players if you are not in the Champions League." Former Liverpool midfielder Dietmar Hamann

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I can see you are trying to spin it but even then let me say that average clubs would be comfortable to participate in the CL for the reasons you have given.

However, for the very best like say Bayern, Barca and Real Madrid (you may also add Man City and Chelsea) the main motivation for competing in the CL is for the ultimate prize:-THE TROPHY!
A club's success in Europe is gauged by how many trophies have ever graced their trophy cabinets.

For the umpteenth time let me state that as a fan a club's revenue and profit is absolutely of no use to me. Hiyo wachia shareholders.

@Adnan....No i'm not trying to spin anything my point has remained the same, you cannot compare EPL to the CL. There's a big difference between league and cup competitions (CL, Euros and World Cup). Holland have never won the World cup but does that mean they've been average, IMO i think they've just been unlucky. Your opinion on Arsenal's CL credentials is purely driven by hate probably that's why you think Man City are better of than the gunners. Who said Arsenal are only comfortable with participation in the CL, Real Madrid have not won that trophy for quite some time now does it mean they've been comfortable with participation.

In the last 10 yrs Arsenal have been in the Final, S/F and 3 times in the Quarter final.....we haven't won the trophy yet but we've surely been competitive. In the last few seasons we've been unlucky drawing Barca & Bayern (eventual winners) in the knock-out stages.


UEFA's club coefficient ranking will give you a good indication of how the clubs have performed in the last 5 years.

Btw that statement on club's revenue and profits might not be of any use to you and me here in Kenya but in the UK it means a lot to the average fan. Ever heard of the green and gold campaign (Man Utd) and the Black Scarf movement (Arsenal). I'll also use scottish club Rangers as an example, wako wapi saa hii with their trophies.

Monyes bado ako?

@ Adnan, yes it is not rocket science that they are in it for the money esp because of Financial Fair Play rules

Ala! Hii debate ya shareholders inaendelea???

The Etihad has been a fortress this season with teams such as my beloved Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs and Norwich all receiving a hiding. With Aguerro and Yaya rested midweek, the test won't come any tougher. Goons will have to be at their best and their best EPL defensive record will be taken to the sword. Good luck with that.

As for us, this is the time Kagawa and Hernandez will get a chance to prove himself with RvP out injured. Moyes has been throwing too much caution to games and now needs to play Adnan and Zaha more if we're to get out of this quagmire we're in. All Dec games are winnable but this Utd team is as annoying as they come.

Spurs and Liverpool all hoping for 3 points kesho to reduce the gap, that should be a thriller! Nice footballing weekend with this horrid weather

Mimi ni njeve imeniingia, lakini we will carry on.

Itakuwa ngumu, we will pack the bus.

Kuwa mpole anything can happen just hoping there are no virus attacks like last time we visited Manchester.
Kos has his work cut out on Aguero Flamini providing the cover also expecting spectacular goals from both sides.

What excuses, we are stating facts and we are the gunners we will gun down the oilers with all their filty riches!