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Treasury Bills and Bonds
maka
#1001 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:29:55 AM
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Yipeeee we are at 1000...ok 1001.
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Impunity
#1002 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:01:48 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

maka
#1003 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:13:01 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...
possunt quia posse videntur
Angelica _ann
#1004 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:39:27 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
jmbada
#1005 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:44:30 AM
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Joined: 1/1/2011
Posts: 396
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.

Looks like a poor showing to me. 80% response rate 54% acceptance rate?
Impunity
#1006 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:08:46 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.


He thought ni mjuaji aki.
He daent know opus dei ma'am.
smile
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#1007 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:17:50 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Impunity wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.


He thought ni mjuaji aki.
He daent know opus dei ma'am.
smile


So Angelica-ann will only pay some 986K and still expect 1M from tax payers at maturity.
Please madam tolea sisi locks with that 13K balance please
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

lochaz-index
#1008 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:29:14 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


Here tulichezewa, prearranged kabisa. Processed in one day!!!!!


Kabisa been following this market for a while... Hii hapana.... 😊 2 days... Brokers dint have time to give an indication where guys should bid...





Sneaky. Very sneaky. Pre-arranged jumbo sale can only mean this was aimed at offshore investors in some kind of fx play to shore up the KES. Smart play by CBK.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
jmbada
#1009 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:24:25 AM
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Joined: 1/1/2011
Posts: 396
lochaz-index wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


Here tulichezewa, prearranged kabisa. Processed in one day!!!!!


Kabisa been following this market for a while... Hii hapana.... 😊 2 days... Brokers dint have time to give an indication where guys should bid...





Sneaky. Very sneaky. Pre-arranged jumbo sale can only mean this was aimed at offshore investors in some kind of fx play to shore up the KES. Smart play by CBK.

This is not a jumbo sale. 27.6BN accepted. How is this a smart play with a 56% acceptance rate? Their bookbuilding process was horrible. They should have knowm not to launch a KES50BN bond to start with.
KulaRaha
#1010 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:37:33 AM
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Market talks says there were very few offshore buyers.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
jmbada
#1011 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 12:02:16 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Market talks says there were very few offshore buyers.

All investors are anticipating rate rises in G8 currencies....especially UK and USA. Regardless of political involvement the rates will need to rise. This will have a knock on effect in EM currencies. As to timing I cannot comment, but the trajectory is clear.
maka
#1012 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 12:12:45 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.


He thought ni mjuaji aki.
He daent know opus dei ma'am.
smile


Hii ni vodoo I swear... How do you price an IFB like the normal 20 year?

Doesnt make sense. Anyway these are the things that make bond trading interesting.
possunt quia posse videntur
lochaz-index
#1013 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:54:18 PM
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Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
KulaRaha wrote:
Market talks says there were very few offshore buyers.

If this wasn't an fx play then it is self sabotage to float such an offer with minimal build up.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
Impunity
#1014 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:56:15 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.


He thought ni mjuaji aki.
He daent know opus dei ma'am.
smile


Hii ni vodoo I swear... How do you price an IFB like the normal 20 year?

Doesnt make sense. Anyway these are the things that make bond trading interesting.


Kwani how was he suppose to price it if it were a "normal" IFB? Tell us.
And for this result did Angelica_Ann make a kill or Opus Dei killed her instead ?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

maka
#1015 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:03:31 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
@jmada... Opus Dei guy is one hard nut to crack... Werent we doing a Eurobond? That will ease the pressure from domestic borrowing...

50 mins to go....


On that Eurobond note,the rate may flatten...may not go further up .





Alas....


So for Anjelica-ann who placed kes.1M...what is she supposed to pay finally?


Price per 100 @ average yield 98.678 * 1,000,000 = 986,780

No tax payable...


Still discounted, you thought it would be at a premium in your earlier comment.


He thought ni mjuaji aki.
He daent know opus dei ma'am.
smile


Hii ni vodoo I swear... How do you price an IFB like the normal 20 year?

Doesnt make sense. Anyway these are the things that make bond trading interesting.


Kwani how was he suppose to price it if it were a "normal" IFB? Tell us.
And for this result did Angelica_Ann make a kill or Opus Dei killed her instead ?


Its actually very ok....2/18/20 with a coupon of 13.20 % (net 11.88%) is trading around 12.60/12.45 ... and the difference in number of days to maturity is around 150 days that covers the 30/40 BPS difference between the 2....
possunt quia posse videntur
Impunity
#1016 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:47:22 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
lochaz-index wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Market talks says there were very few offshore buyers.

If this wasn't an fx play then it is self sabotage to float such an offer with minimal build up.


But the shilling is heading north at 10am alarming rate.
Today it touched 104.
Nothing seems to scare the dollar.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

maka
#1017 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:37:01 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Laikipia County is on course to making history with the proposed sale of a Sh5 billion infrastructure bond to bridge a financing deficit.

If successful, the bond which is to be sold through the National Treasury, will make Laikipia the first devolved unit to raise money from the capital markets.

The plan comes at a time when the Controller of Budget’s implementation report for the 2017-2018 financial year, indicates that counties raised Sh32.5 billion from local sources against a target of Sh49 billion, leaving a deficit of nearly Sh17 billion.

Ndiritu Muriithi, the Laikipia governor, Wednesday said the county was working with the National Treasury and the Central Bank of Kenya on the prospectus – the document that contains details of the bond including pricing, coupon and the tenor.

“Our borrowing will be sanctioned by Intergovernmental Budget and Economic Council and the National Treasury. This class of securities will ensure that the bond is attractive to investors,” Mr Ndiritu said.

Laikipia is seeking funds to finance key infrastructure projects, including the roads network and building health facilities.

Infrastructure bonds are common with the national government, which On Monday issued a Sh50 billion instrument, the largest such offering since Kenya launched the first of such bonds in 2009.

Mr Ndiritu said his administration had managed to increase revenue collection from Sh463 million in the 2016-2017 fiscal year to Sh608 million the financial year ended June 2018.

His deputy, John Mwaniki, who was once the head of the Bond Market Association, said the county was waiting for a CBK advisory on the coupon rate and the minimum unit amount investors can buy.
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maka
#1018 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 9:32:33 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Its Friday... QUick question...How many of you know the procedure of trading @ the secondary market?
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jmbada
#1019 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 10:02:27 AM
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All market players have baked in rate rises. Hence the interest on the short end of the debt market.
https://www.businessdail...53682-2s8tosz/index.html
KulaRaha
#1020 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2018 10:53:33 AM
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Posts: 6,514
T bill rates need to rise, and fast, to help the shilling. 91 day should be at 9%.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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