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disaster for Eaagads share price
alikujia
#81 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:26:44 PM
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Issues of cMA should come in if Egaaad was actually mentioned during the unveiling of tatu. Otherwise pple should crucify the media/or whoever said egaad's land was involved
Sober
#82 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:37:19 PM
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was there an official release from the eaagards management or the 'investors' were making decisions in reaction to road side declaration? in only indulged into this counter at fantasy level.
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guru267
#83 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:44:52 PM
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alikujia wrote:
Confusion still continues even with the latest available information from Egaad!


question is, as @ mwanahisa has said, is renaissance planning to do similar things with egaads' land since they are majority holders. Could they have bought it with merely interest in cofee?


@alikuja if you read the article well you will realize the information you are looking for is there...

The tatu city guys even though they own eaagads said they do not intend to use eaagads land for anything other than coffee farming at least for the near future...
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mwanahisa
#84 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:48:56 PM
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Much Know wrote:
they were given replacement land in Ruiru to do their plantations, not just anyone can replicate Tatuu.


Could you kindly indicate your source of information? I think that a swap of properties would have required shareholder approval and an EGM would have had to be called.
guru267
#85 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:50:43 PM
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sparkly wrote:
guru267 wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:

@guru. I wonder how you'll get out of this ?


... On the real market I got 1000 shares of the stock at 60bob meaning I'm already 30% up... i've already placed my sale order at the maximum 10% lower which will mean i'll still get capital gains of 20%... so HAKUNA MATATA!!! smile



Liquidity is a big issue. You will try to sell but no one will buy. pole


@sparkly i just received an email from my broker
700 shares sold @ 71
300 shares sold @ 72

so I guess Hakuna matata is still applicable Laughing out loudly
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mwanahisa
#86 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 5:53:56 PM
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I think there is indeed a problem here.

One day, Business Daily reports that Eaagads has sold off its coffee farms for the development of Tatu City. Patrick Mweheire of Renaissance is cited as the source.

A week later the same Business Daily reports that Eaagads will continue growing coffee. They do not retract their original story which was a whole lot of bull anyway!

I would not be surprised if tomorrow they come with another story which they will have conjured up from their own fertile imagination.

No wonder you cannot trust our Business Reporters.
Wa_ithaka
#87 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 6:20:41 PM
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I think investors bared all (as the Standard headline re milosevic says) and were given a good seeing to by the NSE insiders.
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tony stark
#88 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 6:39:50 PM
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The anatomy of a robbery.......
The wazua effect. Wazua clearly has the effect to make or break the market
25 october- tatu city launch gone public. Hits media with a frenzy news, television prominent politicians. Eaagads share price= 48 shillings volume 200 share traded.
For perspective previous trades were october 22: 50 shillings volume 200.
26 october: Story hits wazua http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...aspx?g=posts&t=9301 Story starts a positive feedback cycle eventually leading to a frenzy. Discussion starts by doubt, pity of the coffee sector and eventually pertinent questions asked who sold land and how much?? Prover_b and waithaka ask.
Eaagads trades 26 oct: 48 shillings volume 200
27 oct: 46 shillings volume 700
28 october: finally reponse from kiriita claiming it is eaagads who sold the land.
Trades 28 october: 49.75 volume 2900
29 october: 53.50 volumes 9000
Speculators start boarding the band wagon.
1 november: 57.00 volume 7200
Clearly word is now getting out and everyone wants a piece of the pie. The initial thread dies a natural death as the speculators want to avoid spooking others before they have their piece.
2 november: 59.50 volume 33,000
3 november 65.00 volume 87900
November 4:
Business daily catch on to the trend and report it very late of course. http://www.businessdaily...52/1046378/-/jcr2rwz/-/
4 november: 71.50 volume 56,100
5 november. The truth is out. After market closure the owners see things are getting out of hand and they need to reign in the market. The truth douse water speculative fire.
5 november: 78.50 volume 4,300
8 november: The market opens, truth is out and every one wants out. We know what happens.
8 november: 71.00 volume 40,500

Lets see what happens....
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#89 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 7:48:42 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
I think there is indeed a problem here.

One day, Business Daily reports that Eaagads has sold off its coffee farms for the development of Tatu City. Patrick Mweheire of Renaissance is cited as the source.

A week later the same Business Daily reports that Eaagads will continue growing coffee. They do not retract their original story which was a whole lot of bull anyway!

I would not be surprised if tomorrow they come with another story which they will have conjured up from their own fertile imagination.

No wonder you cannot trust our Business Reporters.

i have never trusted the Business daily and their reports are more of hearsay most of them lacking in reference.
But atleast for the hectarage of eaagads,the 385.5 hectares can be attributed, they say, to one Lucas Omariba, a director of Eaagads. Hope this is there real size of land!
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sparkly
#90 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 8:10:41 PM
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guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
guru267 wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:

@guru. I wonder how you'll get out of this ?


... On the real market I got 1000 shares of the stock at 60bob meaning I'm already 30% up... i've already placed my sale order at the maximum 10% lower which will mean i'll still get capital gains of 20%... so HAKUNA MATATA!!! smile



Liquidity is a big issue. You will try to sell but no one will buy. pole


@sparkly i just received an email from my broker
700 shares sold @ 71
300 shares sold @ 72

so I guess Hakuna matata is still applicable Laughing out loudly

he he he i wonder what sucker is still buying... Just moved to cut my losses in fantasy market!
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sparkly
#91 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 8:35:04 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
[quote=sparkly
Didn't Waguthu buy land from Eaagards? that was my assumption coz buying shares should not entitle you to assets of the company?



@ Sparkly, did you just write this? that shareholders do not own the assets of a company?

Wazua I think there should be a forum called Investing 101.

Sparkly as a shareholder you are PART OWNER of the company together with all the other shareholders. Why in the world would you think that shareholders are not entitled to the assets of a company????????????????
Sorry to say that this is the daftest statement I have read today.[/quote]
yeah right and since you are a shareholder of EABL and Unga you can be popping in every week for your weekly swallow and jogoo for your kids... Did you read your two cents before clicking 'post'?
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hisah
#92 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 10:02:44 PM
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Investors need to do their due diligence. The media is not paid to be a financial advisor. You can't even sue them for such misinfo. Funny how the broker world also works like the media even though they're paid to give proper advice! Some broker samples for the year so far: -

1. Broker X says KCB is a sell due to right issue dilution. A few months later KCB is up.
2. Broker X upgrades MSC to a buy due to power co-generation and sugar rally. A few months later it's on a slide.
3. Broker X upgrades SCOM to a buy since it has withstood the competition. A few months later...
4. Broker X upgrades Equity to a buy on stellar growth. The price has since reached a glass ceiling...
5. But the best one was the referendum positive review. Just to be fair to the media and brokers/financial advisors, I too got this one wrong. I should have stuck with the volume indicator (diminishing) which called for a pause or correction and NSE has struggled to break 4700 for 3 months running.

In short, Mr. Market doesn't like crowded roads or the public domain since this makes it difficult for the bus to go uphill. I hope the lessons have been learned.
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simonkabz
#93 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 10:10:52 PM
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No no no....my measly knowledge tells me that assets of the company strictly belong to the company, not the shareholders. Rem even during liquidation, they r the last 2b considered after all creditors n other capital sources. However, the shareholders have the final word on handling of the company property.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
guru267
#94 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:12:16 AM
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hisah wrote:
1. Broker X says KCB is a sell due to right issue dilution. A few months later KCB is up.
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@hisah When KCB went ex rights it was trading at 22 and when it was cum rights and before that it was trading at close to 24 and this is also the period when the brokers issued the sell recommendation....

During the rights issue the share fell to 17.65 and has since risen to 22-23 level meaning if you bought KCB at the time of the SELL recommendation you are still probably at a loss or breaking even...

And if you checked closely enough you would have noticed KCB was upgraded to a buy (by the same brokers) when it was trading at 18-19 after the results of the rights issue


Brokers can be right some times smile
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Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#95 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:19:49 AM
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guru, I agree with hisah. Brokers urged investors to shun The Lion when it was at 18. They said there will be a huge dilution by the rights issue. But different brokers give different reccomendations. So you could as well be right
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Aguytrying
#96 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:32:26 AM
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The market watch guy on nation on thursday has been putting mumias in his basket ever since the fy results.... They can predict based on the core principles and behaviour of stocks. But no one can always predict what will really happen and more importantly when it'll happen.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
ProverB
#97 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:56:22 AM
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mhmmm Sad Sad

at some point discussion moved from Eaagards..to CMA/NSE..to brokers...now to KCB..and some kiasi mumias..and finally business reporters..
seems eaagards analysis has been exhausted.
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My 2 cents
#98 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:09:46 AM
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@Sparkly, please differentiate between inventory and assets. If you, a shareholder, does not own the company's assets, pray tell, who owns them? Answer this please. Who owns a company's assets?

And do not say, the company. Who owns the company? Why do you receive dividends?
simonkabz
#99 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:17:49 AM
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In the eyes of the law, a company is an independent artificial person. Thus, kamau, ojwang, equity bank, EABL, wanjiku etc are all persons, with certain rights eg property ownership. The company property therefore belongs to the company, period. No shareholder can lay claim unless the company ceases to exist. Neither can any of the shareholders use, sell or transfer the company property in individual capacity. I thnk the point here is DIRECT OWNERSHIP. With this in mind, could eegads have sold the core property without an AGM? Change core business without CMA n shareholders approval? Im in doubt. My few cents.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
ProverB
#100 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:58:22 AM
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Inakaa hakuna biashara leo? ama buyers have put a freeze on this one??
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