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CONFIRMED: Ruto going to the Hague
annsal
#41 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:55:34 PM
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@ Rasilio - i feel your anger.flashback to the burnt church ruins and then maybe you will understand, and the other incidents.
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Robinhood
#42 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:11:14 PM
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@ Rasilio, I feel you chief. That said, if I was a PEV suspect, I know I would not have done what Ruto has done. For that he has my respect. I bet you will not see any other PEV suspect do this. I am not in any way saying what happened in the PEV is right, or that it can be excused by a fellow walking to the Hague. This has caught me by surprise and also kinda stolen some thunder. I would have loved it more to see fellows arrested, in handcuffs, possibly kicking and fighting, and proclaiming their innocence!!! Hehehe
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#43 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:05:51 PM
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'His trip came a day after it was reported that the violence suspects may be spared arrest by the ICC. Instead, they will be asked to voluntarily appear before The Hague to answer charges of crimes against humanity.'

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/pthb3yz/-/index.html
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McReggae
#44 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:25:57 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
@ Rasilio, I feel you chief. That said, if I was a PEV suspect, I know I would not have done what Ruto has done. For that he has my respect. I bet you will not see any other PEV suspect do this. I am not in any way saying what happened in the PEV is right, or that it can be excused by a fellow walking to the Hague. This has caught me by surprise and also kinda stolen some thunder. I would have loved it more to see fellows arrested, in handcuffs, possibly kicking and fighting, and proclaiming their innocence!!! Hehehe


Roobinhood,
That's exactly my point, nobody is praising the way people were burnt, killed and maimed, the point Ruto has pulled a quick on everybody, nobody saw this coming!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Wa_ithaka
#45 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:32:58 PM
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Do u recall that idiot Isaac Ruto asking what the bentagon used to discuss when calling for mass action?
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Impunity
#46 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 7:04:53 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
@ Rasilio, I feel you chief. That said, if I was a PEV suspect, I know I would not have done what Ruto has done. For that he has my respect. I bet you will not see any other PEV suspect do this. I am not in any way saying what happened in the PEV is right, or that it can be excused by a fellow walking to the Hague. This has caught me by surprise and also kinda stolen some thunder. I would have loved it more to see fellows arrested, in handcuffs, possibly kicking and fighting, and proclaiming their innocence!!! Hehehe


Roobinhood,
That's exactly my point, nobody is praising the way people were burnt, killed and maimed, the point Ruto has pulled a quick on everybody, nobody saw this coming!!!


In the US army the tactic is called pre-emptive attack!
You aim to attack first and surprise your opponent.
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rasilio
#47 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:23:58 PM
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For a man who said that the Hague will never work in Kenya for 100 years, he sure is one major tactician.

I don't know who it is he is meant to be surprising. If it is you, then I'm sorry to say, you don't matter.

The only person who should matter to Ruto and his henchmen is Ocampo. Once you recieve a letter from him, you can opt to go visit him before he calls you after prechamber. His lawyers adviced him to go before. H

This suspect in the killing of innocent Kenyans was not touched by an angel yesterday to tell us what happened. He is just screwed that's why he has to talk.

I think some of us are so stuck on Kenyan political games we don't realise that things are elephant for some people.

Ruto did not surprise Ocampo. Some other guy from Colombia did the same and voluntarily went to the Hague. As Impunity would say, to have a pre-emptive strike. He was arrested and he's still in after 4 and a half years.

So tell me, exactly who has this suspect surprised? Ocampo, or you?
McReggae
#48 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:58:03 PM
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rasilio,
Now that it did not surprise yu, why dint predict this here in wazua before.....yu seem to be taking a very high gound on this topic yet yu also dint see it coming, achana na hio mambo ya colombia umegoogle after the Ruto move!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Tebes
#49 Posted : Friday, November 05, 2010 1:50:55 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:
rasilio wrote:
Kenyans are a very interesting lot.

I have seen a number of Kenyan forums and tweets and some guys are silly enough to say that Ruto is brave...or he's different etc.

lets' not forget what led Kenya where it is now. People died.

There is nothing brave about anyone who may or may not have created chaos in this country.

I have seen some OdM guys fearing what he may or may not say. What are you fearing? If ODM was involved in the death of children and women, let them fry.

Some Pnu moles 've talked to think its aimed at their "tribe". what tribe, if you killed women and children, Go FRY.

There is nothing heroic about these people in the list.

If he goes there and decides to yap about his comrades, so be it. Na wote waende.

Kenyans are the silliest people I have ever seen.


I agree with rasilio kabisa! There is nothing brave Ruto has done. Killing babies and the cripple together with women then facing trial does not make one brave.

This mentality that he is doing that to impress his tribe ati he has got balls is ridiculous.

He should not drag his community, tribe or Rift Valley (or whatever is left of it) into his criminal proceedings.


Everyone found guilty of any PEV crimes will carry his/her own cross. BUT I dont like the idea of people passing judgement before the sentence has been passed. Just listen to this comment above; " I agree with rasilio kabisa! There is nothing brave Ruto has done. Killing babies and the cripple together with women then facing trial does not make one brave

If you have evidence that Ruto or anyone did that, then look for ICC investigators, or travel to Hague and present your account. OTHERWISE Let the rule of law take its course. Simply because Ruto went to Hague should not be construed to mean anything other than invitation to give their version of the story. He already received a letter to that effect.

Another MP is also bitter that Ruto went there without first being indicted. Perhaps he may want an arrest warrant issued then they would do the arresting themselves

http://www.standardmedia...kes%20mixed%20reactions

Another mpig is asking MO when he will ship his suspects to Hague on the sidelines of ..... yet he forgets that he may have participated in the Mass Action at the height of violence;

http://www.youtube.com/w...lZA&feature=channel

We all should condemn violence be it in Naivasha Mombasa, Nakuru, Kisumu Nairobi Molo or Eldoret, anywhere within this Republic of Kenya, PERIOD.



Watch the clip below and say whether you will condone anyone repeating the same now or in future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jAaci_6LK4

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Cardinal
#50 Posted : Friday, November 05, 2010 8:41:39 AM
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You can't help but admirer this guy, Even though he might be a murderer, he truly have a game plan.
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