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Horton
#41 Posted : Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:48:21 PM
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@guru

dude calm down!!!.....my bad...fine it comes to 86M, still diluted!

im not saying you are wrong, just said that you could be right BUT there are too many VARIABLES for ME(not for US)!!!!

Just my opinion...calm down and stop gettin ur knickers in a twist!!!! If ur right, u'll make money and I won't and vice versa!! Its as simple as that!!

As VVS said, relax!!

Its just my opinion on a PUBLIC forum!
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VituVingiSana
#42 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:19:03 AM
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@guru - Just buy them while they are cheap
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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mukiha
#43 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:47:41 AM
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Are high power bills a result of KPLC inefficiency? No! Half of the bill goes to Fuel-cost adjustments. These arise from the use of emergency power producers who run diesel generators. Thus the choice we have is cheap power that is not enough for everyone, or expensive power that is enough.

KPLC does NOT produce power! So it is unfair to blame it for the added cost.

Remove the fuel-cost and we are left with a base rate of about sh7.5 per kWh..... 10US-cents for the average domestic consumer. How much does it cost in the developed world?

In USA, it is anywhere between 6.5 cents [Idaho] and 24 cents [Hawaii].

In the UK, it is 12.5pence = 18.75 US cents

In China it is 12 US cents

Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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mukiha
#44 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52:33 AM
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And about inefficiency; which are we talking about? Is it technical loss due to faulty and/or poorly maintained transmission system; OR commercial loss due to theft by consumers [e.g. Mungiki connecting slum dwellers and people slowing down their meters]?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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TUPAC
#45 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:46:22 AM
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KPLC is doin so well. So well. It's now @ 190
...things fall apart...the centre cannot hold..mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...w b yeats
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guru267
#46 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:23:20 AM
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@mukiha you are very right.. the high fuel charges are just a result of moving away from hydro to fuel... KPLC said that it were to revert to hydro power then we would only be paying sh3.5 per kwh... i think the company has a right to maintain profitabilty and shareholder value...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267
#47 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:28:34 AM
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Horton wrote:
@guru

dude calm down!!!.....my bad...fine it comes to 86M, still diluted!

im not saying you are wrong, just said that you could be right BUT there are too many VARIABLES for ME(not for US)!!!!

Just my opinion...calm down and stop gettin ur knickers in a twist!!!! If ur right, u'll make money and I won't and vice versa!! Its as simple as that!!

As VVS said, relax!!

Its just my opinion on a PUBLIC forum!


@horton i,m very calm but dont blame me for expressing my views about what i dont agree with..

but what really sets me off is when guys like you just assume i,m a MAN!!! if you want to label me please read my profile...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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mkonomtupu
#48 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:09:34 AM
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Location: River Road
My average buying price on KPLC was 135 when everyone was dumping it last year. I never quite understood why it sunk so low but it was a good buy opportunity. I was hoping to get a 1:10 share split and a fair value price of 30/- after the split by June this year. I had hoped i would get enough capital gains to afford a road trip to SA for the world cup...I will ever pray
KPLC still has a lot of work to do to improve on the transmission and distribution systems and it will require a lot of resources to do that almost 25 billion. Does anyone have an insight on how KLPC is planning to raise that amount i.e debt or a rights issue
If they are planning a rights issue they seriously need to work on their corporate image.
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VituVingiSana
#49 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:27:19 AM
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@mukiha has provided the most reasoned out analysis for the electricity charges we pay...

KPLC is the 'bad' guy just coz they collect the VAT & levies... not coz they are the reason for these!!!

Kenyans cut down forests, then complain about lack of rain... which leads to higher (thermal) costs...

Kenyans are happy to tap into power poles, destroy transformers, poles, steal electricity... then complain about high costs!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Scubidu
#50 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:08:10 AM
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@vvs. Who is the bad guy here? International Oil Producers, Illegal Loggers, KRA, Poor Slum People or Criminals, (all the above)...I think people need to know who to blame first b4 they see things objectively...

All ino is I'm paying for KenGen/KPLC to be profitable, so I don't particularly think the utility companies have the right to be over profitable (set their own ROA). I think they just have to be profitable given their monopoly and our reactive policy toward power deficits.

@mukiha. Would it be a good idea to allow either local or foreign IPPs (irrespective of clean/fossil fuel based) to by-pass the national grid and build transmission lines directly to large elec consumers...why hasn't the govt allowed this? Why was transmission and distribution separated, between KPLC and KETRACO?
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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