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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:Sheikh, can you give me the reasoning as to why Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 wives but doesn't approve me having one wife and one mpango wa kando? First, marrying more than one is not a must. Quran 4:3 says: "...marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only]" Secondly, there are many reasons why man is allowed to marry more than one wife. You see, not all men are the same... (1). there are men EVEN ONE is no, no! (2). there are men one is okay ad enough, (3). there are those one wife is not enough. This is the category we are talking about. Remember there are some women who don't mind sharing. We're not saying all women want to share. We are saying some don't mind. And these category agree to share the man who needs more than one. Thirdly, why not mpango wa kando? Answer lies in your word "wife"... Why wife in the first place? So the reason why woman wants to be wife is the reason why not mpango... It is about the institution of marriage, approved by God Almighty. Extramarital affairs is haram in Islam. The woman in this relationship is disgraced and unprotected. A woman in marriage is honoured. Asante sana Sheikh, I did'nt say it's a must to Marry 4 wives I said why does Islam ALLOW men to marry upto 4 wives. Anyway, two follow up questions 1. What constitutes marriage in Islam-don't define marriage in legal terms or as per country laws. 2.In relation to 1 above, who is considered a wife according to Islam? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:Sheikh, can you give me the reasoning as to why Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 wives but doesn't approve me having one wife and one mpango wa kando? First, marrying more than one is not a must. Quran 4:3 says: "...marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only]" Secondly, there are many reasons why man is allowed to marry more than one wife. You see, not all men are the same... (1). there are men EVEN ONE is no, no! (2). there are men one is okay ad enough, (3). there are those one wife is not enough. This is the category we are talking about. Remember there are some women who don't mind sharing. We're not saying all women want to share. We are saying some don't mind. And these category agree to share the man who needs more than one. Thirdly, why not mpango wa kando? Answer lies in your word "wife"... Why wife in the first place? So the reason why woman wants to be wife is the reason why not mpango... It is about the institution of marriage, approved by God Almighty. Extramarital affairs is haram in Islam. The woman in this relationship is disgraced and unprotected. A woman in marriage is honoured. What if you don't have sexual relations with one of your wives, like the case of Jesus father, Catholics and many others contend she remained a blessed virgin for life, yet you know Jesus had brothers and sisters, and one of the Marys was Joseph wife, long lecture, but it appears Jesus came from a polygamous family, that is our culture as descent from Judah and his laws, Peter was however a Roman and a Pharisee, he was working for Rome when Jesus called him, the culture there was monogamy, and he warned any Christians going there to do mission work against polygamy, and he continued to argue that he was a pharisee even later, Paul also worked in Rome, everyone with their culture, according to ours you marry as many as you can or like and are able to but even one is ok, sex is not necessarily the objective. You marry the wife/wives God gives you as a gift. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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ION, this must be the @fishmonger's younger bro.....jogoo anajulikana akiwa kifaranga. https://www.standardmedi...o-sex-worker-court-told
 Quote:A commercial sex worker pleaded guilty of receiving Sh150 from a 14-year-old for sex but reneged after the court asked whether she understood consequences of pleading guilty to the sexual offence charge.
The court heard that Ms Anindo was arrested in a guest house on April 15, 2018 at Sichirayi estate, Lurambi sub-county with the class 7 pupil. According to the prosecution the accused was allegedly given Sh150 by the minor as payment for the ‘services’ before she walked him to the lodging.
In an alternative charge, Anido is accused of committing an indecent act with a minor by “caressing his genitalia.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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And also in my culture we NEVER COUNT PEOPLE, if food is the problem, you cast you eye and do an 'over-estimate', this is where we fail by wasting time counting people, why count someone wives? What is all this counting wives about  wivu tu!Roman, Egyptian Babylonian culture of counting fellas. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:Sheikh, can you give me the reasoning as to why Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 wives but doesn't approve me having one wife and one mpango wa kando? First, marrying more than one is not a must. Quran 4:3 says: "...marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only]" Secondly, there are many reasons why man is allowed to marry more than one wife. You see, not all men are the same... (1). there are men EVEN ONE is no, no! (2). there are men one is okay ad enough, (3). there are those one wife is not enough. This is the category we are talking about. Remember there are some women who don't mind sharing. We're not saying all women want to share. We are saying some don't mind. And these category agree to share the man who needs more than one. Thirdly, why not mpango wa kando? Answer lies in your word "wife"... Why wife in the first place? So the reason why woman wants to be wife is the reason why not mpango... It is about the institution of marriage, approved by God Almighty. Extramarital affairs is haram in Islam. The woman in this relationship is disgraced and unprotected. A woman in marriage is honoured. Asante sana Sheikh, I did'nt say it's a must to Marry 4 wives I said why does Islam ALLOW men to marry upto 4 wives. Anyway, two follow up questions 1. What constitutes marriage in Islam-don't define marriage in legal terms or as per country laws. 2.In relation to 1 above, who is considered a wife according to Islam? Thank you for asking me about my religion... 1. Islamic marriage is very simple: (a). Boy's consent, (b). Girl's consent, (c). Girl's guardian (e.g. father) consent, (d). Mahr (gift) to the girl, (e). Witnessing e.g. Kadhi or Imam etc 2. Who is wife? The woman after the above conditions are met, who is not already another man's wife...
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:Sheikh, can you give me the reasoning as to why Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 wives but doesn't approve me having one wife and one mpango wa kando? First, marrying more than one is not a must. Quran 4:3 says: "...marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only]" Secondly, there are many reasons why man is allowed to marry more than one wife. You see, not all men are the same... (1). there are men EVEN ONE is no, no! (2). there are men one is okay ad enough, (3). there are those one wife is not enough. This is the category we are talking about. Remember there are some women who don't mind sharing. We're not saying all women want to share. We are saying some don't mind. And these category agree to share the man who needs more than one. Thirdly, why not mpango wa kando? Answer lies in your word "wife"... Why wife in the first place? So the reason why woman wants to be wife is the reason why not mpango... It is about the institution of marriage, approved by God Almighty. Extramarital affairs is haram in Islam. The woman in this relationship is disgraced and unprotected. A woman in marriage is honoured. Asante sana Sheikh, I did'nt say it's a must to Marry 4 wives I said why does Islam ALLOW men to marry upto 4 wives. Anyway, two follow up questions 1. What constitutes marriage in Islam-don't define marriage in legal terms or as per country laws. 2.In relation to 1 above, who is considered a wife according to Islam? Thank you for asking me about my religion... 1. Islamic marriage is very simple: (a). Boy's consent, (b). Girl's consent, (c). Girl's guardian (e.g. father) consent, (d). Mahr (gift) to the girl, (e). Witnessing e.g. Kadhi or Imam etc 2. Who is wife? The woman after the above conditions are met, who is not already another man's wife... I think a mpango wa kando fits the above two A) A man and woman both consent to get into a relationship b)A man or womans gifts living expenses in return for an inkind gift c) Man's boy's or girls friends witness this relationship in some instances even parents of both the main partner and mpango wa kando are usually aware How is mpango wa kando haram if it meets your criteria? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:Sheikh, can you give me the reasoning as to why Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 wives but doesn't approve me having one wife and one mpango wa kando? First, marrying more than one is not a must. Quran 4:3 says: "...marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only]" Secondly, there are many reasons why man is allowed to marry more than one wife. You see, not all men are the same... (1). there are men EVEN ONE is no, no! (2). there are men one is okay ad enough, (3). there are those one wife is not enough. This is the category we are talking about. Remember there are some women who don't mind sharing. We're not saying all women want to share. We are saying some don't mind. And these category agree to share the man who needs more than one. Thirdly, why not mpango wa kando? Answer lies in your word "wife"... Why wife in the first place? So the reason why woman wants to be wife is the reason why not mpango... It is about the institution of marriage, approved by God Almighty. Extramarital affairs is haram in Islam. The woman in this relationship is disgraced and unprotected. A woman in marriage is honoured. Asante sana Sheikh, I did'nt say it's a must to Marry 4 wives I said why does Islam ALLOW men to marry upto 4 wives. Anyway, two follow up questions 1. What constitutes marriage in Islam-don't define marriage in legal terms or as per country laws. 2.In relation to 1 above, who is considered a wife according to Islam? Thank you for asking me about my religion... 1. Islamic marriage is very simple: (a). Boy's consent, (b). Girl's consent, (c). Girl's guardian (e.g. father) consent, (d). Mahr (gift) to the girl, (e). Witnessing e.g. Kadhi or Imam etc 2. Who is wife? The woman after the above conditions are met, who is not already another man's wife... I think a mpango wa kando fits the above two A) A man and woman both consent to get into a relationship B) A man or womans gifts living expenses in return for an inkind gift C) Man's boy's or girls friends witness this relationship in some instances even parents of both the main partner and mpango wa kando are usually aware How is mpango wa kando haram if it meets your criteria? A). ok - consent of man and girl B). nok - living expenses do not qualify as a mahr/gift/dowry C). ok - witnesses D). nok - where is the kadhi or guardian? E). I forgot another condition, khutbah nikah i.e. sermon of marriage by Imam or any recognized man in the society. You need to meet all A and B and C and D and E for a legal marriage. If this is not met, then the relationship haram and it sin in the eyes of Almighty God
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I keep on telling men...Karumindo is cheaper... Stick with your wife...If you are confused, get one gashungwa....If you are really really confused, go to Karumaindo...Stop this loving every woman you meet stuff. How the hell do you rape a woman? May they be raped for the next 15 years. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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alma1 wrote:I keep on telling men...Karumindo is cheaper...
Stick with your wife...If you are confused, get one gashungwa....If you are really really confused, go to Karumaindo...Stop this loving every woman you meet stuff.
How the hell do you rape a woman? May they be raped for the next 15 years. Hawa kwisha. Poor young men.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Njunge wrote:alma1 wrote:I keep on telling men...Karumindo is cheaper...
Stick with your wife...If you are confused, get one gashungwa....If you are really really confused, go to Karumaindo...Stop this loving every woman you meet stuff.
How the hell do you rape a woman? May they be raped for the next 15 years. Hawa kwisha. Poor young men. What is the evidence? I am told she got pregnant from the alleged crime, what will she tell her baby? Was the key evidence the seminal fluid found on the "Northern Collector Tunnel"? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Lolest! wrote:
Sentencing tomorrow
Very good, they will now learn the hard way. 20 years would be great. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:
Sentencing tomorrow
Very good, they will now learn the hard way. 20 years would be great. Wacha iwe funzo. These rugby boys have many groupies willing to have free consenting sex with them. The point at which they decided to become predatory, saitani ashidwe. The boys are barely adults... whoever taught them that forced freesomes are proper? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Am not passing judgement but rapists rank the lowest of all the criminals!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:
Sentencing tomorrow
Very good, they will now learn the hard way. 20 years would be great. Wacha iwe funzo. These rugby boys have many groupies willing to have free consenting sex with them. The point at which they decided to become predatory, saitani ashidwe. The boys are barely adults... whoever taught them that forced freesomes are proper? By CORRESPONDENT, NAIROBI, Kenya, Aug 9 – The sentencing of rugby players Alex Olaba and Frank Wanyama has been postponed to August 16. Chief Magistrate Martha Mutuku gave the directive on Friday saying the court would retreat to consider extenuating circumstances argued by the two. Olaba and Wanyama were Thursday found guilty of gang rape having been charged with the offence in April last year after they reportedly raped a female musician at one of one of their residences at Seefar Apartments in Nairobi’s Highrise. Magistrate Mutuku was urged to consider the two were only aged 23 and 22 years while the complainant is 24. “As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.” The court had on July 12 issued a warrant of arrest against Mahaga after he failed to appear in court when the ruling had been scheduled to be delivered. Magistrate Mutuku was ready to deliver her verdict Thursday but the Kenya Harlequin player failed to show up. This prompted the court to push the verdict to Friday afternoon during which session the prosecution applied for a warrant of arrest after Olaba absconded for the second time. Olaba and Wanyama were set free on a Sh500,000 cash bail each after denying the charge of gang raping a rugby fan during her birthday party. The court had directed that the matter be mentioned on August 5 before Magistrate Kennedy Cheruiyot as Mutuku proceeded on her annual leave. https://www.capitalfm.co...ama-postponed-to-aug-16/In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”
This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?
They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Sansa wrote:“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”
This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?
They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important. I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key. That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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2012 wrote:Sansa wrote:“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”
This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?
They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important. I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key. That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line. Under what circumstances were you added to the group? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:2012 wrote:Sansa wrote:“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”
This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?
They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important. I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key. That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line. Under what circumstances were you added to the group? Because of my profession. It's a group of young professions from a certain sector. Maybe one or two people here are in that group judging from some discussions here.
BBI will solve it :)
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2012 wrote:Impunity wrote:2012 wrote:Sansa wrote:“As young as they are come from humble backgrounds and it is through their career that they have been able to support their kin,” their lawyer argued adding: “they had not planned to meet the victim on the material day.”
This is their plea for a lighter sentence? The victim had not planned to be raped on that day, had she?
They should have thought about their kin and ages if they were that important. I've been following this case and at some point I was sure it was going to fall off the radar. Now, I'm not that young but the Almighty has been good to me and I could pass for a younger me. Early this year, a group of young men & ladies 20something yr olds added me to their whatsapp group. The things the discuss, memes etc are just shocking especially on Mondays after a weekend, long weekends like this one even worse. I think our values have really changed. These are young people with good entry level jobs, uni graduates most in IT, 3/4 of them raised by single parents or other family members not that well to do. These guys are experimenting with everything and I can see how the line can be blurred between consensual sex and rape in parties after drinking and whatever other things accompany those drinks. I just think our morals have fallen to a super new low and if you have kids, bring them up the old fashioned way with discipline and teaching being key. That said, if these guys are guilty and it look like they are, I hope they receive the maximum sentence ili iwe funzo. We have too many youth so we should not worry about their replacements in the rugby club, life etc. That was a very weak defence line. Under what circumstances were you added to the group? Because of my profession. It's a group of young professions from a certain sector. Maybe one or two people here are in that group judging from some discussions here. add me to that group too.
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