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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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And just like that @Alphadoti killed a rather interesting thread "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... Be safe from what? hell? burning in eternal fire? anathematized? cursed? Where did this concepts originate from? Mythical cultures of ancient past? You might want to look back into ancient Egyptian and Greek Mythologies. I call these the claws that religion uses to maintain in us a paralysis of analysis. Reminding us we will go to hell if we don't toe the line. So we fail to think rationally, so that we can be safe! such a fallacy. You like emphasize the monotheism of Islam, ignoring the fact Judaism also practices the same belief. But again folks here are not even saying that their problem is too many gods; No, they are simply questioning why their faith in religion is waning. So I really don't see why if one is losing faith in one Abrahamic religion would embrace the other. All 3 main religion are Abrahamic in origin (I still wonder why Galatians 4:24 refers to Abraham as an Allegory). That is just like defecting from one party to another, hoping to find the final solution. Soon enough it fails to meet your needs and you hop on to another. First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The history of religion and God is the political history of humanity. And any ideas about God and religion should be viewed from a political context.
The Abrahamic religions are focused on one political fact: the creation and sustainance of a body politic ruled by God for a chosen people.
But in my estimation, this goal is unattainable and God has to be sought afresh.
Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Ngogoyo wrote:Iganamagana wrote:You are not alone brother. You have put it as it is. Facing the same dilemma here. Do you accompany your wife and children to church? @AA how do you convince yourself to do something against your logic just because you are afraid to get burnt in a fire that no one has ever come back to tell us about? Why would we get burnt for failing to accept that which we were not convinced about!!!!! lool. The lamentations of Ngoyoyo. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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murchr wrote:And just like that @Alphadoti killed a rather interesting thread  Imam Alpha. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:
God has to be sought afresh.
Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.
In my view it may be more of man rediscovering himself. Some say we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I tend to agree with this view.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Enuma Elish wrote:AlphDoti wrote:If we go back a bit in history, the Israelites, the idea in their minds got narrowed down to that of a tribal God. But their ancestors like Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel in the Bible) had the principle of worshiping ONE GOD, the One True and
Universal God.
The Jews or Christians claim the merits of Father Abraham and of Jesus, BUT DO THEY FOLLOW THEM? Because there were righteous men in the past, it cannot help
us unless we are ourselves righteous.
The Jews initially, though taught Unity, went after false gods, and the Christians invented the Trinity or borrowed it from Paganism. We must go back to pure, the doctrine of Abraham, to live and die in faith in the One True God. Yahweh? @enuma, yes Yahweh and no one else! No statutes, no trinity! No son-god... only oneness of Yahweh.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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essyk wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:Iganamagana wrote:You are not alone brother. You have put it as it is. Facing the same dilemma here. Do you accompany your wife and children to church? @AA how do you convince yourself to do something against your logic just because you are afraid to get burnt in a fire that no one has ever come back to tell us about? Why would we get burnt for failing to accept that which we were not convinced about!!!!! lool. The lamentations of Ngoyoyo. @ngogoyo, since your thread is abot religion, let me say something else. When we remain heedless of the signs of God, our Creator, then we prefer to live a life without guidance, an animalistic way of life. And then we will have to face the consequences of our choices.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Oh sure! He has a problem with his religion. He is talking about church, so definately it can only be Christianity... Ngogoyo wrote:My dilemma, I can’t seem to get motivated to attend church nor listen to prayers or read bible.
I have a problem believing in much of the principles like Jesus, Jews, Israel, contentious stories, the bible etc. I do believe there is a higher power and for sure I came from somewhere!
There is a real problem in the current church set up... Elders/officials being holier than thou on Sunday but source of their wealth is evil, immoral etc.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Lolest! wrote:He (@alph) forgets that the primary issue atheists have with Christianity is the issue of a supreme being(God)
When you see what church has become today, that is the reason why people like @burglar end up being atheists. There is a lot of deceit in the church. Most smart people raised by church parents, and they manage to rise above the deception, will see the sense and choose the right path somewhere else. Unfortunately, some never get the opportunity to know truth somewhere else, and they dive into astray.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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AlphDoti wrote:I totally understand your position. One time I was almost like you, you see I was raised in a Christian family, and as I grew up, started using my brain, analyzed things critically, criticized some things being taught in Church, I realized some things were not making sense... For example, imagine how vast his universe is, imagine how tiny our Earth is when you magnify the universe million times, and now imagine a God who created that vast universe "walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden" with his footsteps boom, boom, Then the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
Can you imagine a God like that? I refused to believe in a God like! I was almost becoming an atheist until I decided to read about the Quran... So brother, read all the religious books and make decision, informed decision, not emotional manipulation carried by some expert religious leaders.. I wrote the above: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:22:38 PMI RE-POST THIS BECAUSE @NGOGOYO CLEARLY SAID HE STILL BELIEVES IN SUPREME BEING.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Lolest! wrote:He (@alph) forgets that the primary issue atheists have with Christianity is the issue of a supreme being(God)
When you see what church has become today, that is the reason why people like @burglar end up being atheists. There is a lot of deceit in the church. Most smart people raised by church parents, and they manage to rise above the deception, will see the sense and choose the right path somewhere else. Unfortunately, some never get the opportunity to know truth somewhere else, and they dive into astray. On that thread on capital punishment, you see burglar has his disbelief in religion on the actions of Muslims The reality is, many who defect from the Christian faith aren't bothered with the Trinity or such other things but by the belief in a supreme being They would rather believe in big bang & evolution Most also have not had a deep search for answers in scripture or read it for themselves The faith will continue to bleed faithful, nothing odd. For the Christian faith does not make conversion to other religions a crime like it is in Islam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Oh sure! He has a problem with his religion. He is talking about church, so definately it can only be Christianity... Ngogoyo wrote:My dilemma, I can’t seem to get motivated to attend church nor listen to prayers or read bible.
I have a problem believing in much of the principles like Jesus, Jews, Israel, contentious stories, the bible etc. I do believe there is a higher power and for sure I came from somewhere!
There is a real problem in the current church set up... Elders/officials being holier than thou on Sunday but source of their wealth is evil, immoral etc. Higher power could be anything. Even ancestral spirits
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:So, for you to be safe; you should believe in (1) the One Universal God, (2) the Message delivered by Teachers (messengers and prophets) in the past, these are Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them all... Moses and Jesus, left a scripture; unfortunately their scriptures are not in their pristine form; Do not make difference between any of these messengers... You never get it. People have no issue with Christianity. They have an issue with God. They don't believe there's a supreme being Preaching a cult that's an offshoot of Christianity and then mixing with Arabic paganism is not helping them at all Lolest! wrote:He (@alph) forgets that the primary issue atheists have with Christianity is the issue of a supreme being(God) When you see what church has become today, that is the reason why people like @burglar end up being atheists. There is a lot of deceit in the church. Most smart people raised by church parents, and they manage to rise above the deception, will see the sense and choose the right path somewhere else. Unfortunately, some never get the opportunity to know truth somewhere else, and they dive into astray. On that thread on capital punishment, you see burglar has his disbelief in religion on the actions of Muslims The reality is, many who defect from the Christian faith aren't bothered with the Trinity or such other things but by the belief in a supreme being They would rather believe in big bang & evolution Most also have not had a deep search for answers in scripture or read it for themselves The faith will continue to bleed faithful, nothing odd. For the Christian faith does not make conversion to other religions a crime like it is in Islam If Christians do not follow the law of the God of the Bible, then they are disobeying His law! You have been down that road with @guru before Deuteronomy 13:5 A prophet who preaches apostasy must be put to deathDeuteronomy 13:7-11 If your brother, mother, son, daughter or wife leads you from Yahweh you must PUT THEM TO DEATH.... You must KILL HIM with your own hand... You must STONE HIM TO DEATH
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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So @alphdoti, why didn't Jesus authorise the stoning of the adulterous woman? I also say we have been there before  And why wont you start here in wazua executing all adulterers posting boldly here? You have never understood the deeper law that Jesus brought us. You miss the point of Matthew 5 by a whole continent
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:So @alphdoti, why didn't Jesus authorise the stoning of the adulterous woman? I also say we have been there before And why wont you start here in wazua executing all adulterers posting boldly here? You have never understood the deeper law that Jesus brought us. You miss the point of Matthew 5 by a whole continent This is exactly why @ngogoyo is not able to reconcile all these ridiculously ambiguous and self-contradicting Bible! Ngogoyo wrote:My dilemma... I can’t manage to reconcile all that. Check out Jesus killing the children of the adulteress: Revelation 2:22-23: "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds." The woman was just committing adultery. This is something common among church goers (of course they call themselves Christians) today: " boyfriend-girlfriend living together" to " one night stand" to " having sex with his date or girlfriend" and "pastors selling sex toys" etc... as clearly mentioned in Revelation 2:22.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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murchr wrote:
@Mtu biz. Interesting.
Av been watching alot of documentaries about Near death Experience and that kinda of stuff and indeed I there's something at the end of the tunnel Look for Journeys out of the body by Robert Monroe. Very comprehensive documented reasearch on his own and others out of body experiences.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Guys. Just become atheists and you won't have to deal with all these dilemmas and doubts or better yet won't have to read AlphDoti posts on Islam, Tycho's demented drivel and Mukiri's retarded sermons.
You should see how peacefully I sleep in on Sunday mornings. Hahahahaha. No church nonsense to deal with. Plus when I finally wake up, my fiance and I get to go chomping on some juicy racks of ribs dipped in BBQ sauce and Washed down with some cold beverages at Spurs for Sunday brunch, using that 10% tithe that we didn't spend on buying pastor Kyuna a mansion in Runda. Lol. Common sense is seriously important in this life.
Sometimes I thank god for making me an atheist. (pun intended). I am a very very happy and content guy. Unlike any theist that I have ever met who all seem to have doubts and questions about their religions and gods, I am completely unequivocal about my choice on atheism. Religions and gods ni shida za kujitakia.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Doti You never cease to amaze That woman in Revelation is not the same case. But you seem to really understand Muhammad and why he had to give you messages from Satan Those sins there are SINS! Done by pastor, backbencher, Muslim or atheist they're sin But Jesus takes us a notch higher: lust is sin too. Not just 'doing it'
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