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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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2012 wrote:kaka2za wrote:2012 wrote:I see nothing wrong with it if it's true.
If he's been able to encourage and empower his flock to attain wealth to a level where they feel nothing buying or willing to buy him a Range or jet, what's wrong with that? Do we now have to tell people what to do with their money? I've been to weddings where parents buy their children houses and cars, I have a problem with that but again I wonder, why is it my problem? First, it is not his money. The congregants are just brainwashed poor souls. Secondly,if you are worried about your problems only then you should skip this thread and many others. Now,even our deep pocketed politicians rarely buy jets and prefer choppers. Kiuna is probably imitating the Nigerian Pastors who buy jets to travel across West Africa. I thought the purpose of the thread is to get objective opinions and not just agreeable ones? Anyway, how did you conclude that they are brainwashed? Logic tells me that to even think of buying a private jet for the pastor, the congregation must have quite a few millionaires within. Logic also tells me that these are very hard people to brainwash. Millionaires are the hardest people to con.Anyway, all I'm saying is that I see nothing wrong with it. Many respected pastors own private jets. I don't know what he preaches, I'm from the old school churches, but it's for his congregate to decide as long as it's lawfully ok. They still get conned through their disgruntled wives who burn through their wealth to spite them for chasing tuchungwa's "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:2012 wrote:kaka2za wrote:2012 wrote:I see nothing wrong with it if it's true.
If he's been able to encourage and empower his flock to attain wealth to a level where they feel nothing buying or willing to buy him a Range or jet, what's wrong with that? Do we now have to tell people what to do with their money? I've been to weddings where parents buy their children houses and cars, I have a problem with that but again I wonder, why is it my problem? First, it is not his money. The congregants are just brainwashed poor souls. Secondly,if you are worried about your problems only then you should skip this thread and many others. Now,even our deep pocketed politicians rarely buy jets and prefer choppers. Kiuna is probably imitating the Nigerian Pastors who buy jets to travel across West Africa. I thought the purpose of the thread is to get objective opinions and not just agreeable ones? Anyway, how did you conclude that they are brainwashed? Logic tells me that to even think of buying a private jet for the pastor, the congregation must have quite a few millionaires within. Logic also tells me that these are very hard people to brainwash. Millionaires are the hardest people to con.Anyway, all I'm saying is that I see nothing wrong with it. Many respected pastors own private jets. I don't know what he preaches, I'm from the old school churches, but it's for his congregate to decide as long as it's lawfully ok. They still get conned through their disgruntled wives who burn through their wealth to spite them for chasing tuchungwa's Boss, your wife can never con or steal from you. You gave her the keys to the safe the minute you said I do. Your work is to consistently make more than she can burn and vice a versa.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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2012 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:2012 wrote:kaka2za wrote:2012 wrote:I see nothing wrong with it if it's true.
If he's been able to encourage and empower his flock to attain wealth to a level where they feel nothing buying or willing to buy him a Range or jet, what's wrong with that? Do we now have to tell people what to do with their money? I've been to weddings where parents buy their children houses and cars, I have a problem with that but again I wonder, why is it my problem? First, it is not his money. The congregants are just brainwashed poor souls. Secondly,if you are worried about your problems only then you should skip this thread and many others. Now,even our deep pocketed politicians rarely buy jets and prefer choppers. Kiuna is probably imitating the Nigerian Pastors who buy jets to travel across West Africa. I thought the purpose of the thread is to get objective opinions and not just agreeable ones? Anyway, how did you conclude that they are brainwashed? Logic tells me that to even think of buying a private jet for the pastor, the congregation must have quite a few millionaires within. Logic also tells me that these are very hard people to brainwash. Millionaires are the hardest people to con.Anyway, all I'm saying is that I see nothing wrong with it. Many respected pastors own private jets. I don't know what he preaches, I'm from the old school churches, but it's for his congregate to decide as long as it's lawfully ok. They still get conned through their disgruntled wives who burn through their wealth to spite them for chasing tuchungwa's Boss, your wife can never con or steal from you. You gave her the keys to the safe the minute you said I do. Your work is to consistently make more than she can burn and vice a versa. I meant the pastor is still conning you indirectly through your wife "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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Kweli, sipendi ku gossip, but it's true these days we also have many atheist running churches, it's a good business, the Truth may very well be this "bad" pastors are actually ATHEIST. Why not? NO JOKES, i actually believe this. Haven't you noticed there is easy money to be made from silly sheep? Do you as an atheist have 'ethics' in matters Christ and making money, call it entertainment? " Assume the Pastor owns a "club" with no alcohol and no sex (except for quite a few naughty pastors who eat the flock, actually adulterers) with willing customers who want to simply hear the song Njseo, Njeso over and over again, and be sprayed with doom on their faces, to "cheat themselves" there is God. Indeed that is the most likely position, according to you, and who am i to know any different? Some are clear cut cartels of murderers and crooks. If you really believed in God, would you do this? Would one who believes dare drop their standards to levels which even atheist start questioning whether their behavior is "Christ like". I agree, Njeso was a 'real hustler', hardworking, a carpenter, a msomi, a fisherman, farmer, honest (except for the "miracles"- of which i coincidentally believe), e.t.c But as long as they say njeso, njeso, that one is a high value name worth much more than 2 billion kes and they know it, there is money to be made in using that name, what's more, njeso gave people permission to use his name! I heard the other Atheist on t.v ask Why is the Church so divided? It is divided by LIES, na pesa pia, na ujinga of course, na uwongo, they don't believe in "god". So What is the TRUTH? Are these guys really ATHEIST or they paradoxically believe in "god"? I think so ama  , actually we might all be atheist already, for as you say, there is no "god" sio?. In life you are "man-solo", and you know no one, you have to THINK for yourself, and make case by case judgements for yourself! Man Solo! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:Kweli, sipendi ku gossip, but it's true these days we also have many atheist running churches, it's a good business, the Truth may very well be this "bad" pastors are actually ATHEIST. Why not? NO JOKES, i actually believe this. Haven't you noticed there is easy money to be made from silly sheep? Do you as an atheist have 'ethics' in matters Christ and making money, call it entertainment? " Assume the Pastor owns a "club" with no alcohol and no sex (except for quite a few naughty pastors who eat the flock, actually adulterers) with willing customers who want to simply hear the song Njseo, Njeso over and over again, and be sprayed with doom on their faces, to "cheat themselves" there is God. Indeed that is the most likely position, according to you, and who am i to know any different? Some are clear cut cartels of murderers and crooks. If you really believed in God, would you do this? Would one who believes dare drop their standards to levels which even atheist start questioning whether their behavior is "Christ like". I agree, Njeso was a 'real hustler', hardworking, a carpenter, a msomi, a fisherman, farmer, honest (except for the "miracles"- of which i coincidentally believe), e.t.c But as long as they say njeso, njeso, that one is a high value name worth much more than 2 billion kes and they know it, there is money to be made in using that name, what's more, njeso gave people permission to use his name! I heard the other Atheist on t.v ask Why is the Church so divided? It is divided by LIES, na pesa pia, na ujinga of course, na uwongo, they don't believe in "god". So What is the TRUTH? Are these guys really ATHEIST or they paradoxically believe in "god"? I think so ama , actually we might all be atheist already, for as you say, there is no "god" sio?. In life you are "man-solo", and you know no one, you have to THINK for yourself, and make case by case judgements for yourself! Man Solo! Everyone is an atheist.... to all other gods but one! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:Kweli, sipendi ku gossip, but it's true these days we also have many atheist running churches, it's a good business, the Truth may very well be this "bad" pastors are actually ATHEIST. Why not? NO JOKES, i actually believe this. Haven't you noticed there is easy money to be made from silly sheep? Do you as an atheist have 'ethics' in matters Christ and making money, call it entertainment? " Assume the Pastor owns a "club" with no alcohol and no sex (except for quite a few naughty pastors who eat the flock, actually adulterers) with willing customers who want to simply hear the song Njseo, Njeso over and over again, and be sprayed with doom on their faces, to "cheat themselves" there is God. Indeed that is the most likely position, according to you, and who am i to know any different? Some are clear cut cartels of murderers and crooks. If you really believed in God, would you do this? Would one who believes dare drop their standards to levels which even atheist start questioning whether their behavior is "Christ like". I agree, Njeso was a 'real hustler', hardworking, a carpenter, a msomi, a fisherman, farmer, honest (except for the "miracles"- of which i coincidentally believe), e.t.c But as long as they say njeso, njeso, that one is a high value name worth much more than 2 billion kes and they know it, there is money to be made in using that name, what's more, njeso gave people permission to use his name! I heard the other Atheist on t.v ask Why is the Church so divided? It is divided by LIES, na pesa pia, na ujinga of course, na uwongo, they don't believe in "god". So What is the TRUTH? Are these guys really ATHEIST or they paradoxically believe in "god"? I think so ama , actually we might all be atheist already, for as you say, there is no "god" sio?. In life you are "man-solo", and you know no one, you have to THINK for yourself, and make case by case judgements for yourself! Man Solo! Everyone is an atheist.... to all other gods but one! Exactly.  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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We are all atheists, I just believe in one less god than all the religious people. Same way Muslims don't believe in Jesus and Christians don't believe in Muhammad is the same way I don't believe in both.
P.S. Nobody is jealous of these conmen. Aish. Jealous of what now? Some of us are not that vain. I just feel bad for the people who tithed and contributed their hard earned money only for this guy to parlay it into a jet. Some people have to choose between food and church offering and this is what happens to their "choice". That's what's sad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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I think NMG are now crossing the line here. http://nairobinews.natio...joined-cult-not-church/
This one is full of insults and outright attack on a pastor and congregation who can't defend themselves. Kwamchetchi Makhoha or Macharia Gaitho could have done a beautiful satirical piece that would have delivered the message in a mature way. And finally, who is this girl sl#%&%ng with because clearly she doesn't owe her column to talent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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FRM2011 wrote:I think NMG are now crossing the line here. http://nairobinews.natio...joined-cult-not-church/
This one is full of insults and outright attack on a pastor and congregation who can't defend themselves. Kwamchetchi Makhoha or Macharia Gaitho could have done a beautiful satirical piece that would have delivered the message in a mature way. And finally, who is this girl sl#%&%ng with because clearly she doesn't owe her column to talent. Nairobi news has its audience. Stick to the Daily Nation "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:Much Know wrote:Kweli, sipendi ku gossip, but it's true these days we also have many atheist running churches, it's a good business, the Truth may very well be this "bad" pastors are actually ATHEIST. Why not? NO JOKES, i actually believe this. Haven't you noticed there is easy money to be made from silly sheep? Do you as an atheist have 'ethics' in matters Christ and making money, call it entertainment? " Assume the Pastor owns a "club" with no alcohol and no sex (except for quite a few naughty pastors who eat the flock, actually adulterers) with willing customers who want to simply hear the song Njseo, Njeso over and over again, and be sprayed with doom on their faces, to "cheat themselves" there is God. Indeed that is the most likely position, according to you, and who am i to know any different? Some are clear cut cartels of murderers and crooks. If you really believed in God, would you do this? Would one who believes dare drop their standards to levels which even atheist start questioning whether their behavior is "Christ like". I agree, Njeso was a 'real hustler', hardworking, a carpenter, a msomi, a fisherman, farmer, honest (except for the "miracles"- of which i coincidentally believe), e.t.c But as long as they say njeso, njeso, that one is a high value name worth much more than 2 billion kes and they know it, there is money to be made in using that name, what's more, njeso gave people permission to use his name! I heard the other Atheist on t.v ask Why is the Church so divided? It is divided by LIES, na pesa pia, na ujinga of course, na uwongo, they don't believe in "god". So What is the TRUTH? Are these guys really ATHEIST or they paradoxically believe in "god"? I think so ama , actually we might all be atheist already, for as you say, there is no "god" sio?. In life you are "man-solo", and you know no one, you have to THINK for yourself, and make case by case judgements for yourself! Man Solo! Everyone is an atheist.... to all other gods but one! Atheists worship the god of self
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