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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Doti, By the way on the cut and the law;
1. Will you circumcise your son on the 8th day?
2. Do you believe Jesus was cut on the 8th day, why?
3. Do you believe the Law of Moses was from God?
4.Where do you refer to to get the requirements of the Law of Moses?
5.Do you keep other requirements of the Law of Moses?
6.Have you ever stumbled on any point in the Law? You better first start believing in the Bible, otherwise declare your stand that you detest it and that you follow your own guts! Otherwise, stop asking me whether I'm following your book. Those questions should be answered by you, the Christian, fake follower of Bible. don't quote for us what you don't believe in, then Only quote for us Muhammad's hallucinations/inventions I see how you evaded the legalism debate!! Unlike Christians, Muslims follow the Quran 100%. Christians, they don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. Everything is there for adornment for beautification. Even going to church is show, they will live their own life anyway! Things that Jesus (pbuh) said, or God said, no Christian is prepared to pay attention or follow or do that. I am the Way, the Truth and The Life. No one comes to the father except by Me. That is the way! Not the Law!! Unfortunately, contrary to what you're alluding here, Jesus stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets... Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So has heaven and the earth disappeared?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. @lonest, your "God of Christians" (God forbids) Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) was circumcised on the 8th day (Luke 2:21). The same "God of Christians" (God forbids), Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." So has heaven and the earth disappeared? Of course, not! So why have the Christians disobeyed the law of God? You're following the Christian slayer Saul aka Paul. On Mtt 5, we have discussed before. Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of the law and the prophets. We no longer do things like sacrifice to appease God or to show thanksgiving. He takes you away from just bragging about how you keep the law and actually enhances it. You say you have never commited adultery? Have you looked at a woman lustfully? Then you have committed adultery! Similarly you are a murderer not because you killed but even if you are angry with your brother you are guilty of murder! Here comes Jesus, making the law even seem harder. If you are guilty of adultery, you are liable to death by stoning, right? But, in referring to the mode of worship where the temple was revered and was the appointed place of worship, he tells the Samaritan woman: ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. . . . But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.’ Then about food, clean and unclean he points out:(Mark 7) “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Do you see an interest in the heart of man? Not outward deeds only but the heart of man. Because the heart of the problem is always a problem of the heart! The Law could not legislate against issues in a man's heart. And God is always interested in the heart. Not outward appearances and deeds About the Sabbath: The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” (Matt 12:8) Christians should not be burdened with what Jesus already fulfilled. Whoever wants to keep the law should keep the whole of it; even sacrificing animals to God! So has heaven and the earth disappeared? Of course, not yet! So in short the Christians disobeyed the law of God. It is Paul who came and said " I'm not preaching the Gospel of my lord Jesus. But I'm preaching my own gospel, the gospel for the Gentiles". Paul came and said his Gospel is for the " uncircumcised" Paul said in Hebrews 7:18-19, 8:13 that the law was obsolete and weak!!!!! Contrary to what Jesus himself said!!! Contrary to what the law itself says in Psalm 19:7 which says that the Law is perfect. Contrary to what God commanded Abraham and all generations "shall be circumcised... an everlasting covenant." Genesis 17:13 Christians contradict themselves so much! Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. Do you get that? Or as usual have you chosen to misunderstand? Jesus did not abolish or change the law of Moses according to Matt 5:17 And fulfilling does not mean changing. He actually enhanced it Does "enhancing" means change the law or abolish it? What does "fulfilling" means? That he IS THE FULFILLMENT. He is all you need and the law is hence kept in full by being in Him. If he did not change the law or he did not abolish it, then what is the meaning of fulfilling the law? In Bold and red!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:Jesus this Muhammad that; some people need to get a life. Not everything revolves around religion
but am afraid to some people religion is life
Religion is a way of life. Even your way of life is your religion. This emanated from our agnostic saying the origin of circumcision all over the world is religion-Abrahamic faiths  ma titles nazo!! it was first the Egyptians then the Jews the Muslims who spread it. Then later Africans picked it from Muslims (majority of the time). But the 2 out of 3 abrahamic religions have been spreading it all over the place. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:
Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. Do you get that? Or as usual have you chosen to misunderstand?
Jesus did not abolish or change the law of Moses according to Matt 5:17 And fulfilling does not mean changing. He actually enhanced it Does "enhancing" means change the law or abolish it? What does "fulfilling" means? That he IS THE FULFILLMENT. He is all you need and the law is hence kept in full by being in Him. If he did not change the law or he did not abolish it, then what is the meaning of fulfilling the law? In Bold and red!! You have not answered the question: what is the meaning of fulfilling the law.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:Doti, By the way on the cut and the law;
1. Will you circumcise your son on the 8th day?
2. Do you believe Jesus was cut on the 8th day, why?
3. Do you believe the Law of Moses was from God?
4.Where do you refer to to get the requirements of the Law of Moses?
5.Do you keep other requirements of the Law of Moses?
6.Have you ever stumbled on any point in the Law? You better first start believing in the Bible, otherwise declare your stand that you detest it and that you follow your own guts! Otherwise, stop asking me whether I'm following your book. Those questions should be answered by you, the Christian, fake follower of Bible. don't quote for us what you don't believe in, then Only quote for us Muhammad's hallucinations/inventions I see how you evaded the legalism debate!! Unlike Christians, Muslims follow the Quran 100%. Christians, they don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. Everything is there for adornment for beautification. Even going to church is show, they will live their own life anyway! Things that Jesus (pbuh) said, or God said, no Christian is prepared to pay attention or follow or do that. I am the Way, the Truth and The Life. No one comes to the father except by Me. That is the way! Not the Law with its rules on circumcision na gadhaligha By the way, he told us to go into a ll nations making them his disciples and baptising themHe did not tell us to circumcise on the 8th day as was the rule given to Abraham By the way, on your piety as a religion, you told us that you observe(or believe in) what 'Prophets' such as Jesus, Moses, Abraham, David etc prophesied/relayed Now answer the questions above on the Law...sorry, don't answer them. They point to the inconsistency of Islam!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:
Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. Do you get that? Or as usual have you chosen to misunderstand?
Jesus did not abolish or change the law of Moses according to Matt 5:17 And fulfilling does not mean changing. He actually enhanced it Does "enhancing" means change the law or abolish it? What does "fulfilling" means? That he IS THE FULFILLMENT. He is all you need and the law is hence kept in full by being in Him. If he did not change the law or he did not abolish it, then what is the meaning of fulfilling the law? In Bold and red!! You have not answered the question: what is the meaning of fulfilling the law. Keeping it in FULL or following Jesus, the Christ who fulfilled it for us. Which of my questions have you even attempted to answer?? John 8 for you You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Once again Bwana Imam, on circumcision: 1. Will you circumcise your son on the 8th day? 2. Do you believe Jesus was cut on the 8th day, why? 3. Do you believe the Law of Moses was from God? 4.Where do you refer to to get the requirements of the Law of Moses? 5.Do you keep other requirements of the Law of Moses? 6.Have you ever stumbled on any point in the Law?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:
Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. Do you get that? Or as usual have you chosen to misunderstand?
Jesus did not abolish or change the law of Moses according to Matt 5:17 And fulfilling does not mean changing. He actually enhanced it Does "enhancing" means change the law or abolish it? What does "fulfilling" means? That he IS THE FULFILLMENT. He is all you need and the law is hence kept in full by being in Him. If he did not change the law or he did not abolish it, then what is the meaning of fulfilling the law? In Bold and red!! You have not answered the question: what is the meaning of fulfilling the law. Keeping it in FULL or following Jesus, the Christ who fulfilled it for us. Which of my questions have you even attempted to answer?? John 8 for you You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins. Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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According to Imam AlphDoti, all uncircumcised Christians should get the cut to fulfill the Law and make it to heaven. My question to you Imam Dots is this, since you Waislamu claim you follow the teachings of prophets like Adam, Lot, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc(your list, not mine), do you follow the Law of Moses, do you circumcise as Abraham was instructed? Should we force Muslims from non-circumcising communities to get the cut to fulfill the Law??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:According to Imam AlphDoti, all uncircumcised Christians should get the cut to fulfill the Law and make it to heaven.
My question to you Imam Dots is this, since you Waislamu claim you follow the teachings of prophets like Adam, Lot, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc(your list, not mine), do you follow the Law of Moses, do you circumcise as Abraham was instructed? Should we force Muslims from non-circumcising communities to get the cut to fulfill the Law?? My friend @lonest do not read people's posts! The answer, the Muslim perspective is already here As for you being a Christian, you better start believing in the Torah, otherwise come out straight and say you detest the Old Testament you should remove it from the Bible!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:According to Imam AlphDoti, all uncircumcised Christians should get the cut to fulfill the Law and make it to heaven.
My question to you Imam Dots is this, since you Waislamu claim you follow the teachings of prophets like Adam, Lot, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc(your list, not mine), do you follow the Law of Moses, do you circumcise as Abraham was instructed? Should we force Muslims from non-circumcising communities to get the cut to fulfill the Law??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection...
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 It does not deny that Jesus was God infact it reinforces it. Why do you call me good? There is no one good but God. (So if you call me good, you are confirming I am God).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 You can clearly see my point from this portion also!! Your good acts are not good enough. That guy had done all the good he could have The most important part is this v22 Quote:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ask me any question regarding Quran and Islam. I'm not like you who cannot answer questions about their religion, instead they want others to answer for them. The enumerated questions I asked are about you the Muslim and the Law. Anybody with a functional brain and following this knows that I have answered you and even kept repeating and elaborating. But you have evaded answering coz you think I am trapping you. But it's obvious why: you don't really believe in anything written in the Bible, all is just for beautification, you choose what you want and reject what does not suite you, that's Christians for you. And Muslims follow everything in the Law, the prophets, the Injeel(Injili, the gospel of Jesus Christ)! So brother, answer Bible questions. Only a Christian is bound by what is in the Bible. Muslim has the Quran. And the hadiths, and a million Arabic traditionsAnd if you don't know, just say that. Not knowing is not a weakness. For your information: If you want eternal life, then follow the laws. Jesus said that in (Luka 18:18) This is Luka 18:18 ndugu Quote: Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” @lonest, why did you stop at 18? What did Jesus answer in verse 19 and 20 Read Luke 18:18-20 You can clearly see my point from this portion also!! Your good acts are not good enough. That guy had done all the good he could have The most important part is this v22 Quote:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. The verses you are so afraid to post: Luke 18:18-20 18 "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 19 Jesus responded thus, "Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “ No one is good—except God alone" 20 You know the commandmentsThat is how to inherit the eternal life. That is why Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) stated very, very clearly in Matthew 5:17-20 that: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection... @lonest, all prophets from Adam to Muhammad (peace be with them all), were sent with the same message: that is, the total submission of mankind to Allah (Almighty God). None of them contradicted the other. It is Saul aka Paul who came and changed the message of Jesus (peace be upon him).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:
Luke 18:18-20
18 "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19 Jesus responded thus, "Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone"
20 You know the commandments
That is how to inherit the eternal life.
OK so now copy pasting is the in thing! Bible is available kwa net. Even Qur'an. So why does v 18-20 not end the story. If keeping the commands was all required, why did Jesus not commend the man?
In Context: Quote:The Rich and the Kingdom of God
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]”
21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24 Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
26 Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
27 Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
28 Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:This is your post??What about prophets and Muslims being keen to follow the patriachs from Adam, Abraham... AlphDoti wrote:Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.
But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection... @lonest, all prophets from Adam to Muhammad (peace be with them all), were sent with the same message: that is, the total submission of mankind to Allah (Almighty God). None of them contradicted the other. Provide references pleease. So if they said circumcise, we should all circumcise, sindio?? It ceases being a 'recommendation'??It is Saul aka Paul who came and changed the message of Jesus (peace be upon him). Muhammad told people to face Mecca. Which other prophet made people worship facing the ka'aba?? You are the master of The art of being evasive 
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