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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hardwood wrote:I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china. I buy Kenyan made vests. Sikumbuki brand name Bata has Kenyan made shoes. I know some 2 Thika companies that make shoes for them but they're of poorer quality than those from India
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/27/2015 Posts: 130
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I like the anger and passion in these posts, maybe when we get enough Kenyans feeling the way you do we might wake up and start doing something about it. We could start with cottage industries like 18th century Europe; however Nema NCA Kebs Kanjo, KRA should leave these small industries alone. Wanasumbua sana. The media should charge advertising of locally made products cheaper as compared to Imported ones. One sector we are getting it right, at least, is the matatu body fabrications, why cant we apply the same for a few other sectors?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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lets face it... we love imported things!! it's like social capital to say 'i got this from [INSERT EUROPEAN COUNTRY] we shall vent all we want but when 2 products are placed before you... you will always pick the 'imported' version. We tell ourselves that it's better quality... which it is... We tell ourselves that it's cheaper... which it is! so why would really buy these things? (not everything but most things especially electronics). I think we have had this discussion here again and again... and it has not resulted to anything - my take? Gava can lead from the front... WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:I think to stimulate local manufacturing we should start with the basics such as shoes, handkerchiefs, socks, shirts, underwear etc. Surely manufacturing these items isn't rocket science. Why export skins and hides to India and china and then import 'fake leather' shoes from them? I was shocked to find that that nearly all the shoes at Bata shops are made in India and China. Does it mean that in year 2016, no single Kenyan can manage to manufacture a handkerchief and we have to import from china? Even the masai shukas are all from china. If you look at handkerchiefs, socks and to a good extent male underwear you notice that they are very basic and so what matters most is the cost of fabric and the automation to produce in large quantities, we don't produce much fabric locally so it will always be cheaper to import such. But if you look at shirts, dresses and other types of wear that can take in more variation then it can be cheaper or at least the same cost to do them locally, since labor takes up the lion share of the cost and for such there are several people doing the same locally. Maasai shukas are also produced locally at ruiru, and actually I find the local brand of the same much better than the imported ones. There exists a decent and vibrant local manufacturing sector (at least from my end when it comes to the clothing sector), but I have to admit, capital and marketing is always a challenge.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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What we need is govt to offer incentives..capital will then follow. Especially for apparels, we have very big market in and outside EAC - only if we can produce same quality like Asia at lower cost..I think that's what they're trying to achieve with the economic zones, but we wait to see if this noble idea will not be sabotaged by fat cats the way coffee, sugar, paper industries were killed
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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mpobiz wrote:china imetumaliza
Most manufacturers world over shifted base to China over last 20 yrs, due to cheap labor and ready markets. In the new world order, only countries who specialise to exploit local advantages will thrive. Hence America is powered by weaponry and aerospace manufacturing while letting China take care of consumer goods. Even kenya should do soul searching to see where our advantages lie and concentrate efforts there rather than being Jack of all and master of none. If it doesn't make sense to manufacture toothpicks so be it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:mpobiz wrote:china imetumaliza
Most manufacturers world over shifted base to China over last 20 yrs, due to cheap labor and ready markets. In the new world order, only countries who specialise to exploit local advantages will thrive. Hence America is powered by weaponry and aerospace manufacturing while letting China take care of consumer goods. Even kenya should do soul searching to see where our advantages lie and concentrate efforts there rather than being Jack of all and master of none. If it doesn't make sense to manufacture toothpicks so be it At least a reasonable post. This soul searching is called 'intelligence' something apparently few of us are willing to use.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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limanika wrote:mpobiz wrote:china imetumaliza
Most manufacturers world over shifted base to China over last 20 yrs, due to cheap labor and ready markets. In the new world order, only countries who specialise to exploit local advantages will thrive. Hence America is powered by weaponry and aerospace manufacturing while letting China take care of consumer goods. Even kenya should do soul searching to see where our advantages lie and concentrate efforts there rather than being Jack of all and master of none. If it doesn't make sense to manufacture toothpicks so be it Cheaper than Kenya??? I doubt. I think the issue is the other production overheads.. infrastructure, electricity, Taxes, “Kitu Kidogo” etc.. The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Some time back i was in India and was impressed that all the products they use are manufactured in India. Even vehicles. If a vehicle company wants to sell in India they have to manufacture in India in partnership with Indians. That's why they have Suzuki Maruti, Ashok Leyland etc. They dont have japanese and european mitumbas on their roads, unlike Kenya. They buy Made in India. We need to adopt such a system in Kenya. Given our current state of political dysfunction, this protectionism likely will not work in Kenya. Our corrupt leaders will force foreign companies to partner with companies that are well connected to political bigwigs. The resulting inefficiency will cause the cost of manufactured goods to skyrocket. Plus Kenya lacks India's capacity and customer base. I.E. Unlike India which has a billion people, Kenya's customer base is not large enough to sustain a large investment. Therefore large investments must be export oriented. If Kenyans want to fix manufacturing issues in Kenya we just need to go back to the basics mentioned in form three geography: 1. Build better infrastructure roads, railways, pipelines etc. The poor road network in western Kenya is one of the reasons the sugar industry is moribund. 1b. Get a reliable and cheap electricity supply. (reduce blackouts) 2. Address security: Investors want to feel safe. 3. Reduce corruption: Large corporations are wary of dealing with corrupt officials. 4. Offer tax breaks to corporations that set up in remote areas with lower labour costs. Nairobi is too crowded and labor costs high. Encourage corporations to set up elsewhere. Our political discourse should be focused on issues such as the ones above. Do people want jobs and security or do they want a member of their tribe to be in power? I always wonder about Kenyans and their priorities. This is the 'lie' peddled by WTO IMF WB etc..no country ever developed its manufacturing industry without protectionism I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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