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Impunity wrote:Wendz wrote:masukuma wrote:This matter is serious and what sickens me most is that people accept and rationalise being dictated to about their place in ecosystem... in their own effing country! Ni kama mgeni akuje kwako aanze kukupatia masharti... priss. ama munangoja ile "nyumba" and "shoe" muliambiliwa kwa "I got Shoes"? Mimi huwa natafuta these oppotunities za kufanyiwa tumadharau kwetu.... kama kwao siitikii kufanyiwa tu madharau bila kuongea ni kwetu? Can there be a better reason to land in Jail than that?  Reminds me of a story about some white woman who was at Nakumatt Junction and the child was innocently smiling and laughing with a local child and then the white woman scolded the child aloud saying "how many times must I tell you not to play and talk with Niggas?"....  and??????? huh!! I hope the parent to the black kid did something.... she's so damn lucky it wasn't my kid... She'd board the next flight out of here... Reminds me of one time I went to Village Market and paid for my son to play, and some are they white or pick by the way? kids started shoving him around to get out...... ooooooh.... how I stormed that play pen.... and I looked forward to those pink mothers and fathers to come say one word! They'd never seen such mother hen. For me, that's a totally no go zone irrespective of who you are..... Siwezi. And what is wrong being called a nigga? You will always remain nyeuthi in color even if they called you mweupe kama RAO (pun for pamaba)! I wouldn't want to be white or whatever its called for the life of me, and am proud to be called African. me and you know what nigga means and we cant even pretend to believe it means "African" in a nice way. Call me black, it is alright. I am and I am happy with it. but just don't use derogatory words on me, that's all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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I think that it's similar to being called kihii... Innocent and jocular when a father refers to his son. Nasty when Moses kuria uses it to "put Raila in his place" All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2014 Posts: 231
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Wendz wrote:Impunity wrote:Wendz wrote:masukuma wrote:This matter is serious and what sickens me most is that people accept and rationalise being dictated to about their place in ecosystem... in their own effing country! Ni kama mgeni akuje kwako aanze kukupatia masharti... priss. ama munangoja ile "nyumba" and "shoe" muliambiliwa kwa "I got Shoes"? Mimi huwa natafuta these oppotunities za kufanyiwa tumadharau kwetu.... kama kwao siitikii kufanyiwa tu madharau bila kuongea ni kwetu? Can there be a better reason to land in Jail than that? Reminds me of a story about some white woman who was at Nakumatt Junction and the child was innocently smiling and laughing with a local child and then the white woman scolded the child aloud saying "how many times must I tell you not to play and talk with Niggas?".... and??????? huh!! I hope the parent to the black kid did something.... she's so damn lucky it wasn't my kid... She'd board the next flight out of here... Reminds me of one time I went to Village Market and paid for my son to play, and some are they white or pick by the way? kids started shoving him around to get out...... ooooooh.... how I stormed that play pen.... and I looked forward to those pink mothers and fathers to come say one word! They'd never seen such mother hen. For me, that's a totally no go zone irrespective of who you are..... Siwezi. And what is wrong being called a nigga? You will always remain nyeuthi in color even if they called you mweupe kama RAO (pun for pamaba)! I wouldn't want to be white or whatever its called for the life of me, and am proud to be called African. me and you know what nigga means and we cant even pretend to believe it means "African" in a nice way. Call me black, it is alright. I am and I am happy with it. but just don't use derogatory words on me, that's all. @Impunity, heshimu @Wendz tafadhali. Be polite and put your opinions across in a less abrasive manner. "Occasionally I drop a tea cup to shatter on the floor. On purpose. I am not satisfied when it does not gather itself up again. Someday perhaps that cup will come together."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Bykhovets wrote:Wendz wrote:Impunity wrote:Wendz wrote:masukuma wrote:This matter is serious and what sickens me most is that people accept and rationalise being dictated to about their place in ecosystem... in their own effing country! Ni kama mgeni akuje kwako aanze kukupatia masharti... priss. ama munangoja ile "nyumba" and "shoe" muliambiliwa kwa "I got Shoes"? Mimi huwa natafuta these oppotunities za kufanyiwa tumadharau kwetu.... kama kwao siitikii kufanyiwa tu madharau bila kuongea ni kwetu? Can there be a better reason to land in Jail than that? Reminds me of a story about some white woman who was at Nakumatt Junction and the child was innocently smiling and laughing with a local child and then the white woman scolded the child aloud saying "how many times must I tell you not to play and talk with Niggas?".... and??????? huh!! I hope the parent to the black kid did something.... she's so damn lucky it wasn't my kid... She'd board the next flight out of here... Reminds me of one time I went to Village Market and paid for my son to play, and some are they white or pick by the way? kids started shoving him around to get out...... ooooooh.... how I stormed that play pen.... and I looked forward to those pink mothers and fathers to come say one word! They'd never seen such mother hen. For me, that's a totally no go zone irrespective of who you are..... Siwezi. And what is wrong being called a nigga? You will always remain nyeuthi in color even if they called you mweupe kama RAO (pun for pamaba)! I wouldn't want to be white or whatever its called for the life of me, and am proud to be called African. me and you know what nigga means and we cant even pretend to believe it means "African" in a nice way. Call me black, it is alright. I am and I am happy with it. but just don't use derogatory words on me, that's all. @Impunity, heshimu @Wendz tafadhali. Be polite and put your opinions across in a less abrasive manner. Yeye ni nyeuthi kama used oil from Bulldozer, hata akikuwa marinated with Jik overnight. To be called Nogga is more or less the way we call wazungus "pua refu". Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Time to be coldly objective and logical .....The truth is, if you sued ArtCaffe for racism and/or discrimination, you wouldn't succeed.
They do not bar you at the door neither is it a criminal offense for workers of an establishment to ignore you. So you stroll in, sit, and perhaps 35 minutes
down the line a waiter will take your order, leave you to steam for another 45 minutes before your order is delivered.
You will shout yourself hoarse about the ignominy of it all, but no crime done, not one you can prove in any court on this land anyway. If you were foolish enough
to try, the case would be easily swatted away with simple defenses such as these "being hard economic times and therefore not enough for personnel to provide the service you would like".
What people experience here is contempt, discourtesy and disrespect. For these slights, there is no recourse, other than to take your money elsewhere and bitch in
social media; and social media bitching clearly appears not to have any effect. Business at ArtCaffe continues apace. It is OK to complain and make others aware of your plight, but visiting repeatedly is a sign of a weak internal constitution.
Mistreatment of customers is a widespread thing in Kenya - and it is not based on race only. But we find fiery voices only if there are links to white ownership/management which I find amusing.
We are slaves to trends and fashion, so much that we insist on giving money to businesses that insult and humiliate us so as to be 'with it'.
Just don't go to ArtCaffe. Have some self-respect. You may have money but those people don't want your money, why humiliate yourself?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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quicksand wrote:Time to be coldly objective and logical .....The truth is, if you sued ArtCaffe for racism and/or discrimination, you wouldn't succeed.
They do not bar you at the door neither is it a criminal offense for workers of an establishment to ignore you. So you stroll in, sit, and perhaps 35 minutes
down the line a waiter will take your order, leave you to steam for another 45 minutes before your order is delivered.
You will shout yourself hoarse about the ignominy of it all, but no crime done, not one you can prove in any court on this land anyway. If you were foolish enough
to try, the case would be easily swatted away with simple defenses such as these "being hard economic times and therefore not enough for personnel to provide the service you would like".
What people experience here is contempt, discourtesy and disrespect. For these slights, there is no recourse, other than to take your money elsewhere and bitch in
social media; and social media bitching clearly appears not to have any effect. Business at ArtCaffe continues apace. It is OK to complain and make others aware of your plight, but visiting repeatedly is a sign of a weak internal constitution.
Mistreatment of customers is a widespread thing in Kenya - and it is not based on race only. But we find fiery voices only if there are links to white ownership/management which I find amusing.
We are slaves to trends and fashion, so much that we insist on giving money to businesses that insult and humiliate us so as to be 'with it'.
Just don't go to ArtCaffe. Have some self-respect. You may have money but those people don't want your money, why humiliate yourself?
 Tell this to @Masukuma, and he will call you a "kiguoya". Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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dunkang wrote:quicksand wrote:Time to be coldly objective and logical .....The truth is, if you sued ArtCaffe for racism and/or discrimination, you wouldn't succeed.
They do not bar you at the door neither is it a criminal offense for workers of an establishment to ignore you. So you stroll in, sit, and perhaps 35 minutes
down the line a waiter will take your order, leave you to steam for another 45 minutes before your order is delivered.
You will shout yourself hoarse about the ignominy of it all, but no crime done, not one you can prove in any court on this land anyway. If you were foolish enough
to try, the case would be easily swatted away with simple defenses such as these "being hard economic times and therefore not enough for personnel to provide the service you would like".
What people experience here is contempt, discourtesy and disrespect. For these slights, there is no recourse, other than to take your money elsewhere and bitch in
social media; and social media bitching clearly appears not to have any effect. Business at ArtCaffe continues apace. It is OK to complain and make others aware of your plight, but visiting repeatedly is a sign of a weak internal constitution.
Mistreatment of customers is a widespread thing in Kenya - and it is not based on race only. But we find fiery voices only if there are links to white ownership/management which I find amusing.
We are slaves to trends and fashion, so much that we insist on giving money to businesses that insult and humiliate us so as to be 'with it'.
Just don't go to ArtCaffe. Have some self-respect. You may have money but those people don't want your money, why humiliate yourself?
Tell this to @Masukuma, and he will call you a "kiguoya". of course we will never agree on this - you have been trained... you know your place... good for you! I have not.... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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@masukuma and @wendz, it's not that we are cowards who have been conditioned to know our place in the pecking order. We just know which fights are worth fighting and this is not one of them. Everyone seems to agree that the nyeuthi is at the bottom of the food chain. The nyeuthi hardly disappoints and has proven over and over that indeed that is where he belongs. @quicksand,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:@masukuma and @wendz, it's not that we are cowards who have been conditioned to know our place in the pecking order. We just know which fights are worth fighting and this is not one of them. Everyone seems to agree that the nyeuthi is at the bottom of the food chain. The nyeuthi hardly disappoints and has proven over and over that indeed that is where he belongs. @quicksand, yeah....i guess we are the naive ones! good for you! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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Another question we have to ask is... does this tipping culture even have a place in Kenya? In the west, restaurants are heavily regulated, which shrinks their margins and they struggle to stay afloat, so patrons use tipping as a way of chipping in for the staff welfare, since the restaurant usually can't afford to pay much.
But here in Kenya these high end restaurants are making money hand over fist, why should patrons feel the need of tipping in such a case when the company is very capable of paying better?
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