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Madaga.. An example of failed state
washiku
#41 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:43:30 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!
mawinder
#42 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:52:08 AM
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washiku wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!

Kenyatta hospital is a national facility under CS Macharia and Uhuru Muigai who are not Luos.
alma1
#43 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:55:53 AM
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mawinder wrote:
washiku wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!

Kenyatta hospital is a national facility under CS Macharia and Uhuru Muigai who are not Luos.



You continue with this tribe nonsense in health care. When you get sick while travelling for another prayer rally in Mogotio, don't ask why the kalenjin hospital doesn't have an ICU unit for your beloved kikuyu gout.

this hardwood fellow just hit another low here.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

hardwood
#44 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:00:42 AM
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washiku wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!


It is them who brought in tribalism into this discussion and so i also put on my tribal googles. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Impunity
#45 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:02:00 AM
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I had all along avoided this thread thinking it was about Madagascar.
Shock on me.

Anyway,RIP.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

hardwood
#46 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:06:51 AM
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mawinder wrote:
washiku wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!

Kenyatta hospital is a national facility under CS Macharia and Uhuru Muigai who are not Luos.


Why cant this kidero build us a "Nairobi Level 5 hospital" with all the billions of our taxes he receives each year. If Mutua can have a functional county hospital in Machakos why cant kidero have a functional county hospital for us nairobians? Instead his accounts are bursting with cash and his sheep cant see anything wrong with this.
washiku
#47 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:12:32 AM
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Under the new constitution, every citizen has a right to emergency health care in whatever health facility near them. This being the case, these private hospitals are started by people who have taken risks to invest heavily and expensively. It is therefore hypocritical to expect them not to think of the bottom line as they run their business, granted moral ethics are taken to consideration. Its illogical to 'dictate' to a private investor that they SHOULD treat every one who knocks on their door without assuring them how they gonna survive after that, not forgetting you will still send KRA guys for them to give their fair share of the cake to the govt.

This is where the govt has failed to put in place serious measures.

1. Govt has the sole responsibility to offer medical care to all Kenyans, especially through govt medical centers.

2. There should be a fair way where when a private investor intervenes in an emergency case to save a life they should have a way of being 'paid' back for their services by the govt. There should be kind of a fund that caters for that. A policy guideline of how such cases can/should be handled.

3. Granted that we all contribute to the health sector through taxes, we should have a way where all Kenyans should be able to contribute to their health service in a more organized way. A universal health care, could be NHIF, should be mandatory to all. A fair way of doing this must be sought.

4. Govts should continue investing in the health sector. Some are trying, but much more needs to be done.

5. Finally and most important, it will all fail or rise at leadership.
hardwood
#48 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:15:21 AM
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alma1 wrote:
mawinder wrote:
washiku wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Health is devolved and nairobi gets the lions share of devolved funds. So if the Luo & ODM Nairobi governor was working as hard as the Machakos governor, the poor guy would not have died. Instead the governor spends 400m for roundabout drums, 400m to plant grass and is said to have "saved" ksh 1b which is lying in his private accounts, while health is in tatters.


Why is that necessary? Does it strengthen the point? d'oh! d'oh!

Kenyatta hospital is a national facility under CS Macharia and Uhuru Muigai who are not Luos.



You continue with this tribe nonsense in health care. When you get sick while travelling for another prayer rally in Mogotio, don't ask why the kalenjin hospital doesn't have an ICU unit for your beloved kikuyu gout.

this hardwood fellow just hit another low here.


Machakos residents arent blaming Uhuru for any shortcomings in their county. They instead talk to their governor to fix the issues using the billions allocated to them. But in nairobi whenever anything goes wrong you blame uhuru and not kidero who is the custodian of billions given given to sort our problems. Its no wonder he has stashed 1b coz we never put him to account.
alma1
#49 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:22:59 AM
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washiku wrote:
Under the new constitution, every citizen has a right to emergency health care in whatever health facility near them. This being the case, these private hospitals are started by people who have taken risks to invest heavily and expensively. It is therefore hypocritical to expect them not to think of the bottom line as they run their business, granted moral ethics are taken to consideration. Its illogical to 'dictate' to a private investor that they SHOULD treat every one who knocks on their door without assuring them how they gonna survive after that, not forgetting you will still send KRA guys for them to give their fair share of the cake to the govt.

This is where the govt has failed to put in place serious measures.

1. Govt has the sole responsibility to offer medical care to all Kenyans, especially through govt medical centers.

2. There should be a fair way where when a private investor intervenes in an emergency case to save a life they should have a way of being 'paid' back for their services by the govt. There should be kind of a fund that caters for that. A policy guideline of how such cases can/should be handled.

3. Granted that we all contribute to the health sector through taxes, we should have a way where all Kenyans should be able to contribute to their health service in a more organized way. A universal health care, could be NHIF, should be mandatory to all. A fair way of doing this must be sought.

4. Govts should continue investing in the health sector. Some are trying, but much more needs to be done.

5. Finally and most important, it will all fail or rise at leadership.



Agreed with you

The stories of Janet Ikua and Alex Madogo surely must make some leader realise that things are not that rosy.

Just last month I spent over 100k just on med bills for various family members.

In my view, if there is no policy to stem this flow, then these stories just won't end. Even as we speak, its cheaper to take a plane to India than go to Nairobi Hospital. Who are these private hospitals think they are lying to?

Greed is a factor in private hospitals, apathy in public health care.

Mix the two with the populace who believe that their problems arise because Ruto is in the Hague, then we have entered a very slippery slope.

Health care in my view is not going to get better any time soon.

Yet, it is the sector that is affecting each and everyone's pocket upende usipende. Whether you have insurance or not, that harambee when your buddy get's sick, you shall pay.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

washiku
#50 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:24:24 AM
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Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 13,095
alma1 wrote:
washiku wrote:
Under the new constitution, every citizen has a right to emergency health care in whatever health facility near them. This being the case, these private hospitals are started by people who have taken risks to invest heavily and expensively. It is therefore hypocritical to expect them not to think of the bottom line as they run their business, granted moral ethics are taken to consideration. Its illogical to 'dictate' to a private investor that they SHOULD treat every one who knocks on their door without assuring them how they gonna survive after that, not forgetting you will still send KRA guys for them to give their fair share of the cake to the govt.

This is where the govt has failed to put in place serious measures.

1. Govt has the sole responsibility to offer medical care to all Kenyans, especially through govt medical centers.

2. There should be a fair way where when a private investor intervenes in an emergency case to save a life they should have a way of being 'paid' back for their services by the govt. There should be kind of a fund that caters for that. A policy guideline of how such cases can/should be handled.

3. Granted that we all contribute to the health sector through taxes, we should have a way where all Kenyans should be able to contribute to their health service in a more organized way. A universal health care, could be NHIF, should be mandatory to all. A fair way of doing this must be sought.

4. Govts should continue investing in the health sector. Some are trying, but much more needs to be done.

5. Finally and most important, it will all fail or rise at leadership.



Agreed with you

The stories of Janet Ikua and Alex Madogo surely must make some leader realise that things are not that rosy.

Just last month I spent over 100k just on med bills for various family members.

In my view, if there is no policy to stem this flow, then these stories just won't end. Even as we speak, its cheaper to take a plane to India than go to Nairobi Hospital. Who are these private hospitals think they are lying to?

Greed is a factor in private hospitals, apathy in public health care.

Mix the two with the populace who believe that their problems arise because Ruto is in the Hague, then we have entered a very slippery slope.

Health care in my view is not going to get better any time soon.

Yet, it is the sector that is affecting each and everyone's pocket upende usipende. Whether you have insurance or not, that harambee when your buddy get's sick, you shall pay.


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