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KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:It's better to be sane than 'Godly'. Another contradiction (I think we should just blame language and we can all go home). It is easier to say 'Tycholy' than 'Godly' if you mean to make a distinction. By the definition of God given above, all are Godly by the mere fact they are integral in "all that is/was/will be..." - God. Of course your answer is also a contradiction even in itself. Of course it is. Here is an attempt at none contradiction: 'within or without, the all that is, God is.' So, to answer the question that started this discussion: God can be a contradiction; just as God can be good, evil, beautiful, ugly, tall short...etc seeing as God is all of these and more, yet none of these terms define God, being as they are first and foremost, creations of only one aspect of an all inclusive God - in other words language expressions of human beings desire to define reality through contrast. I don't think the attempt at non contradiction has been successful. You've gone back to a 'within' a 'without', and restricted yourself to 'what is'. There's also, 'what's not'. We can't avoid contradiction. It's even vital for us to have contradiction. Whatever definition or explanation we may have about 'God' can only be valid and true if that 'God' is contradictory. For example, only a contradictory God can be merciful or loving, or even all powerful.
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Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. FEAR GOD
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:It's better to be sane than 'Godly'. Another contradiction (I think we should just blame language and we can all go home). It is easier to say 'Tycholy' than 'Godly' if you mean to make a distinction. By the definition of God given above, all are Godly by the mere fact they are integral in "all that is/was/will be..." - God. Of course your answer is also a contradiction even in itself. Of course it is. Here is an attempt at none contradiction: 'within or without, the all that is, God is.' So, to answer the question that started this discussion: God can be a contradiction; just as God can be good, evil, beautiful, ugly, tall short...etc seeing as God is all of these and more, yet none of these terms define God, being as they are first and foremost, creations of only one aspect of an all inclusive God - in other words language expressions of human beings desire to define reality through contrast. I don't think the attempt at non contradiction has been successful. You've gone back to a 'within' a 'without', and restricted yourself to 'what is'. There's also, 'what's not'. We can't avoid contradiction. It's even vital for us to have contradiction. Whatever definition or explanation we may have about 'God' can only be valid and true if that 'God' is contradictory. For example, only a contradictory God can be merciful or loving, or even all powerful. Tycho, why are you trying to be contradictory? I already agreed with you that God is contradictory, just as she is all those other qualities that we like to assign to it. But we need to remember that the idea of 'God' is basically a human creation. As long as we insist on personifying such a concept, it will always contain contradiction. Remember contradiction creates contrast, a quality that is absolutely essential for generating reality in a 4 dimensional Universe. For instance, friction, which we can not do without, is contradiction, is it not? But my basic argument is this: Contradiction does not reduce God, anymore than your being different makes you less that your fellow man. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. Pray tell; in whose image was this 'after thought' made? And who were 'they' and where were they meeting to discuss all this? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. @kiki, you go wrong in a few things First, the woman was not created as an after-thought, that is reducing God to human, how can He be All-Knowing and Al-Seeing if he didn't foresee that Adam would need a woman? Can you create and "aeroplane" that can "land" without knowing he would need an "airport"? These are the same thinking I always blast kina @pastor for telling you ati Adam heard God's footsteps "bung! bung!". Do you really believe this tiny earth, God was walking on it? What was He stepping on before creating Earth? Such kind of thinking makes kina @hamburglar to become atheists! Secondly, you have not understood the meaning "WE". Just google "royal plural" or "majesty plural". That's how God addresses Himself when talking on authoritative perspective.
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AlphDoti wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. @kiki, you go wrong in a few things First, the woman was not created as an after-thought, that is reducing God to human, how can He be All-Knowing and Al-Seeing if he didn't foresee that Adam would need a woman? Can you create and "aeroplane" that can "land" without knowing he would need an "airport"? These are the same thinking I always blast kina @pastor for telling you ati Adam heard God's footsteps "bung! bung!". Do you really believe this tiny earth, God was walking on it? What was He stepping on before creating Earth? Such kind of thinking makes kina @hamburglar to become atheists! Secondly, you have not understood the meaning "WE". Just google "royal plural" or "majesty plural". That's how God addresses Himself when talking on authoritative perspective. I just had to laugh! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:KIKItheKING wrote:God is not a contradictory God. HE is the Supreme being. Hence logic can never be applied to HIM. But if its the accient gods, then the question is contradictory. So god is now a he? When did that happen? This just gets gets curiouser and curiouser. In the begining God said They creat a person in THEIR own image. They created a Man. So God is HE But did they not also create Woman? Yes They did. But a woman came as an after_thought. To keep company the Man who They had created in their own image. Pray tell; in whose image was this 'after thought' made? And who were 'they' and where were they meeting to discuss all this? I can see clearly, why people end up being atheists. kina @kiki believes God riding in Cherub, like flying in helicopter (2 Samuel 22:9). Cherub are beautiful young girls, He (God of @kiki) flys like superman you see in films. Now how can that befits God?? Compare this with what the Quran says about God, in chapter 112, which is known as "The Purity of Faith". Chapter 112:1-4 (Sura Al-Ikhlas - The Purity of Faith) In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/7/2015 Posts: 125
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@AlphaDoti You have gone a great deal trying to expound on what you think of my understanding of matters religion and concerning the nature of God. First of all we seem yo differ since you look at this topic from a Muslims perspective and from the teachings of the good book Quran which i have not read. My understanding on this is based on the Creation story found in the Bible which i read along time ago and if my memory serves me right, the Man was created FIRST. So stop being all emotional and instead help @Wakanyugi understand why is God reffered to as HE. FEAR GOD
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