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AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. Partisanship reloaded right there  Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. Adhan is pure pollution, starting at 5am. If you want to pray, do it privately. If you want to call, do it over the radio. Don't bother me. Diwali is a nuisance. So much noise and so much smoke. Those fireworks should be banned. Roadshows I haven't experienced where I live. si watu wanunue maAlarm clocks? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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CC @Alphadoti. It's not only Kenyans who are suffering. http://www.thefinanciale...%E2%80%98Azaan%E2%80%99
Quote:Israel’s ministerial committee has approved a draft bill that bans the use of outdoor loudspeakers for ‘Azaan’, citing it as a factor of noise pollution.
The Ministerial Committee for Legislation approved the so-called “muezzin bill,” drafted to address endless complaints of excessive noise, especially in the early hours of the morning.
The bill now must undergo three readings in parliament before it becomes a law. Speaking in support of the measure, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that his office is overwhelmed by the noise complaints it receives, reports RT.
“Muslims, Jews, and Christians suffer from this. I cannot count the number of times that civilians have approached me from all strands of Israeli society who complain about the choice and the suffering which is caused by the excessive noise from houses of worship,” he said.
“Israel is committed to freedom for all religions but is also responsible for protecting its citizens from noise. That’s how it is in cities in Europe. I support similar legislation and enforcement in Israel,” Netanyahu stated. http://aboutislam.net/mu...-loudspeakers-in-adhan/
Quote:A ban on using loudspeakers during Muslims’ adhan, or call to prayers, has been raising controversies among Mumbai Muslim leaders amid arguments that mosques are using illegal loudspeakers.
“Adhann is mandatory to prayer, not the use of loudspeakers,” senior community leader Dr M A Patankar who, like many others, feel disturbed by the noise from illegal loudspeakers atop some mosques, told Times of India on Sunday, August 3.
“Adhan should be sonorous and easy on the ears. If loudspeakers are inconveniencing fellow citizens, I would say the mosques should remove them before the police take action,” he added.
Debates started when Navi Mumbai resident Santosh Pachalag petitioned the Bombay High Court against “illegal use of loudspeakers” by mosques in his area.
Opposition to Muslims’ adhan dates back to months ago when Hindu outfit called Rashtriya Hindu Andolan organized a protest in Mangalore city in the southern Indian state of Karnataka demanding a ban on morning adhan.
Protesters claimed that the Muslim call to prayer at dawn disturbs people of other faiths.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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ama wakuwe kwa ma-whatsapp group! it's like church bells. a relic from a world gone by. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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AlphDoti wrote:mkenyan wrote:alphidoti would it be acceptable if the mosques had some sort of wireless/radio transmitters and the muslims have some receivers in their homes and the adhan be done through that system? @mkenya the answer is No, that would not be acceptable. That will just be like an alarm clock. You think people don't have alarms in the house? But what do they do? They hit the snooze button. So you ask why do Muslims give the Adhan (call for prayer)? There are many reason:1. To tell everyone it is time. Just like an examiner rings a bell to signal time is up, even if everybody has a watch. In the Christian we have bell. Some religion we have the drum. All these the prophet said no. No drum, no bell. Someone suggested human voice. He liked it. 2. Apart from being a human voice, our adhan has a message. A bell cannot speak. 3. Apart from message calling you to prayer, it is testifying that there is only one God. 4. The beauty part of it is that wherever part of the world you go, this call for prayer is in Arabic. Example if you go to France, and you don't understand French, even if I don't know Arabic, at least I know the translation of the adhan. 5. The other reason is that we pray in congregation. So the adhan is reminding you that the congregation is going to start. So even in this age of technologyit is a reminder. It is calling you towards the truth, it is calling you towards success. That is why hundred years, thousand years it was correct and even today it is correct and even tomorrow it will be correct. The Moslem call for prayers started in the desert where the caller stood on the minaret and called for prayers using his voice only. Nowadays the caller is using high decibel speakers and mics, this upsets me and wakes up my kids. I'm sure there is a technology that can be applied to those who are moslems and want to be called up instead of waking up even I, an African animist.
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majimaji wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mkenyan wrote:alphidoti would it be acceptable if the mosques had some sort of wireless/radio transmitters and the muslims have some receivers in their homes and the adhan be done through that system? @mkenya the answer is No, that would not be acceptable. That will just be like an alarm clock. You think people don't have alarms in the house? But what do they do? They hit the snooze button. So you ask why do Muslims give the Adhan (call for prayer)? There are many reason:1. To tell everyone it is time. Just like an examiner rings a bell to signal time is up, even if everybody has a watch. In the Christian we have bell. Some religion we have the drum. All these the prophet said no. No drum, no bell. Someone suggested human voice. He liked it. 2. Apart from being a human voice, our adhan has a message. A bell cannot speak. 3. Apart from message calling you to prayer, it is testifying that there is only one God. 4. The beauty part of it is that wherever part of the world you go, this call for prayer is in Arabic. Example if you go to France, and you don't understand French, even if I don't know Arabic, at least I know the translation of the adhan. 5. The other reason is that we pray in congregation. So the adhan is reminding you that the congregation is going to start. So even in this age of technologyit is a reminder. It is calling you towards the truth, it is calling you towards success. That is why hundred years, thousand years it was correct and even today it is correct and even tomorrow it will be correct. The Moslem call for prayers started in the desert where the caller stood on the minaret and called for prayers using his voice only. Nowadays the caller is using high decibel speakers and mics, this upsets me and wakes up my kids. I'm sure there is a technology that can be applied to those who are moslems and want to be called up instead of waking up even I, an African animist. Like an alarm or reminder on the phone or clock? The greatest act of bravery is chancing a fart while suffering from diarrhoea
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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safariant wrote:majimaji wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mkenyan wrote:alphidoti would it be acceptable if the mosques had some sort of wireless/radio transmitters and the muslims have some receivers in their homes and the adhan be done through that system? @mkenya the answer is No, that would not be acceptable. That will just be like an alarm clock. You think people don't have alarms in the house? But what do they do? They hit the snooze button. So you ask why do Muslims give the Adhan (call for prayer)? There are many reason:1. To tell everyone it is time. Just like an examiner rings a bell to signal time is up, even if everybody has a watch. In the Christian we have bell. Some religion we have the drum. All these the prophet said no. No drum, no bell. Someone suggested human voice. He liked it. 2. Apart from being a human voice, our adhan has a message. A bell cannot speak. 3. Apart from message calling you to prayer, it is testifying that there is only one God. 4. The beauty part of it is that wherever part of the world you go, this call for prayer is in Arabic. Example if you go to France, and you don't understand French, even if I don't know Arabic, at least I know the translation of the adhan. 5. The other reason is that we pray in congregation. So the adhan is reminding you that the congregation is going to start. So even in this age of technologyit is a reminder. It is calling you towards the truth, it is calling you towards success. That is why hundred years, thousand years it was correct and even today it is correct and even tomorrow it will be correct. The Moslem call for prayers started in the desert where the caller stood on the minaret and called for prayers using his voice only. Nowadays the caller is using high decibel speakers and mics, this upsets me and wakes up my kids. I'm sure there is a technology that can be applied to those who are moslems and want to be called up instead of waking up even I, an African animist. Like an alarm or reminder on the phone or clock? Do they have to be reminded to go and pray? Seems their faith isn't very strong.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:safariant wrote:majimaji wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mkenyan wrote:alphidoti would it be acceptable if the mosques had some sort of wireless/radio transmitters and the muslims have some receivers in their homes and the adhan be done through that system? @mkenya the answer is No, that would not be acceptable. That will just be like an alarm clock. You think people don't have alarms in the house? But what do they do? They hit the snooze button. So you ask why do Muslims give the Adhan (call for prayer)? There are many reason:1. To tell everyone it is time. Just like an examiner rings a bell to signal time is up, even if everybody has a watch. In the Christian we have bell. Some religion we have the drum. All these the prophet said no. No drum, no bell. Someone suggested human voice. He liked it. 2. Apart from being a human voice, our adhan has a message. A bell cannot speak. 3. Apart from message calling you to prayer, it is testifying that there is only one God. 4. The beauty part of it is that wherever part of the world you go, this call for prayer is in Arabic. Example if you go to France, and you don't understand French, even if I don't know Arabic, at least I know the translation of the adhan. 5. The other reason is that we pray in congregation. So the adhan is reminding you that the congregation is going to start. So even in this age of technologyit is a reminder. It is calling you towards the truth, it is calling you towards success. That is why hundred years, thousand years it was correct and even today it is correct and even tomorrow it will be correct. The Moslem call for prayers started in the desert where the caller stood on the minaret and called for prayers using his voice only. Nowadays the caller is using high decibel speakers and mics, this upsets me and wakes up my kids. I'm sure there is a technology that can be applied to those who are moslems and want to be called up instead of waking up even I, an African animist. Like an alarm or reminder on the phone or clock? Do they have to be reminded to go and pray? Seems their faith isn't very strong. @hardwood, read here
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour I was at KU (Kenyatta University) recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it. I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock? Or is it an admiration of the name-sake KU campanile?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it. I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock? Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise. C&P "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it. I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock? Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise. C&P "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm
That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture. Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it. I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock? Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise. C&P "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm
That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture. Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias. How can you accuse me of hate when I have provided a link showing that even muslims themselves are complaining about the noise. Do you want to say that the muslims I quoted are also driven by hate against Islam? As that Muslim said "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:KulaRaha wrote:There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.
Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.
Its very frustrating. @kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc? Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing. Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times. The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings. That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud. I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society. I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it. I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock? Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise. C&P "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm
That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture. Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias. How can you accuse me of hate when I have provided a link showing that even muslims themselves are complaining about the noise. Do you want to say that the muslims I quoted are also driven by hate against Islam? As that Muslim said "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears." What did you expect from the link, hugs? No, they are from the same kind as you... If you want to know about Islam, do not ask Maina Kageni kind of people. Those are paid by senior professional critics. The loudspeaker in the time of prophet was the voice which could reach every home in the small village... 
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Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house
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@Alphdoti, at least the ringing bells are more or less homogeneous/rhythmic. Hii adhan hapana. Some of your guys even blow through the mic before starting. Others breathe heavily. Woe unto you if you live close to a madrasa and the kids are the one giving the said call to prayer. There is this mosque that has also perfected the art of playing a specific CD criticizing the other predominant religion using scriptures. It is played up-to midnight, especially during Ramadhan. Did I say the mosque is about 2km from my residence? Christians are doing worse off. Kwanza yao huenda past midnight several nights a week. At times you may think they are competing on who's the loudest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Alphdoti pole sana but this one umenoa Adhan is a call to prayer. It does not mean using loudspeakers when people are sleeping. Ipso facto, you shall still be observing Islam if the call came through whatsapp. I know places where those loudspeakers are never allowed by law but Muslims still pray. Stop defending the indefensible. You sound just like those lunatic christian churches that like singing songs at midnight. Ati in the name of Jesus....Shangwe na vigelegeleeeeeee at 1 am. Apana... Noise is noise..Whether you believe your religion is more important than others or not. Kelele does not have a different definition in any language, tribe or religion. Use the technology available now. I'm sure that fella in the dessert would have killed just to have a mobile phone not shouting like he was forced to. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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 jus passin by
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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There is a mosque near where I stay that allows kids to call. Its so irritating because if this adhan is so important, why are kids doing it? Its very intrusive especially at 5 am. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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alma1 wrote:
It does not mean using loudspeakers when people are sleeping. Ipso facto, you shall still be observing Islam if the call came through whatsapp..
 I have also never understood those business shops where they place large speakers outside and blast their stuff. Most of all, on the same street and you wonder who is listening to what. Why can't they do it in turns if it is a must? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Lolest! wrote: jus passin by lol. Missing the good ol days, eh? lol.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@alma, I've read your post. Truly, I've always seen you as more reasonable, unbiased person who says it as it is. But from the above, I think you didn't read my post or you didn't understand.
Nowhere have I said so and so "religion is more important..". All my posts is but response to hypocrisy... To the hypocrites who say if it is a Christian thing, then it is okay. Any noise from anyone who not Muslim is melodious... I was responding to them.
Go to any mall Music blares through all the speakers as you shop with all the praises to Jesus... How come non-Muslims are subjected to this? Because they consider it melodious? Go to Public Universities, bells are rang. It is melodious because it is not Islamic? Look at the churches, they ring bell too, they hold keshas all night in neighbourhood... are these melodious because it is not Islamic?
We have mentioned the diwali, somebody says because they are granted license... by who? Isn't the same law and constitution which you are trying use against others because it is Islamic?
@alma, I expected you to be non-prejudiced on this. This thread re-appeared due to the club issue, and I noticed that you have not commented anything on that. Not that you must comment, but is it because this is your area which is being touched, the alcohol etc?
What I am saying is, let us be fair and objective. We cannot be biased and push for oppression of those who you consider not your own. Otherwise, let everyone have their own... You go to bar and club, Muslim will not stop you... they go to church and have kesha, no muslim will bother you... the Jews can blow their horn, no Muslim will prevent them...
It is entrenched in Islam that "there no compulsion in religion" and guarantees right to everyone...
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