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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:back to Yesu Njoka - do you think the church is justified? Yes it is very justified if and only if Yesu = Mungu which is I believe is the churches understanding! How can a preacher be shouting "JESUS IS GOD" and there is a Jesus Njoka standing next to you?? He will cause mayhem and confusion in the Sunday schools! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Dont we have people named Emmanuel?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Apart from confusiion that @guru says, hakuna ubaya. The name Jesus does not mean God. In Colossians 4 you will see an apostle named Jesus Justus.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:back to Yesu Njoka - do you think the church is justified? Yes it is very justified if and only if Yesu = Mungu which is I believe is the churches understanding! How can a preacher be shouting "JESUS IS GOD" and there is a Jesus Njoka standing next to you?? He will cause mayhem and confusion in the Sunday schools! So let me ask - is it illegal for children to be called 'Allah'? remember kuna jamaa anaitwa Jehovah Wanyonyi All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:Dont we have people named Emmanuel? Emmanuel simply means... "Gods word made flesh"Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:So let me ask - is it illegal for children to be called 'Allah'? Yes.. That is blasphemy! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:remember kuna jamaa anaitwa Jehovah Wanyonyi Here is your Jehovah Wanyonyi who claims to be God and Jesus his son!   I still stick to it being blasphemy! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@guru, you never really understood the faith while u were Christian. Read Mtt 5:17-48. There's something major apart from what the sheikh underlines for us
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Why is it blasphemy? God does not want children of any culture being named Allah? Think about it - Papua new guinea has 650 ethnic groups in one of those cultures Allah may mean 'lovely goat' - why shouldn't they be able to name their children 'lovely goat'? just because some culture in the middle east decided that their deity will be named the same? of course you know there are japanese cities that have unpalatable names!! I wonder what happens when a person from that city comes to east africa and is given a form to fill and one of the fields is 'place of birth' - but I digress. My point is... Names have the meanings you give them based on your culture. Yesu, Jesus, Allah, Jehovah, Zeus, Ngai, Omwami, Molimo only have divine meaning based on the human beings in those cultures. I don't think God really cares - he has been around for billions of years done many big and small things to care if a random human who will only dwell for 70 years is known by the same moniker as that which he instructed some arabic fellow 1400 years ago to refer to him by.... I don't think he is that petty! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:@guru, you never really understood the faith while u were Christian. Read Mtt 5:17-48. There's something major apart from what the sheikh underlines for us I understood it very well and I also understand it in the Qur'an! Qur'an 5:45 wrote:We ordained in Taurat for them: "A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth and for a wound an equal retaliation." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity it will be an act of atonement for him; Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Why is it blasphemy? God does not want children of any culture being named Allah? Why are you reasoning like a three year old toddler?? You gave an example of Jehovah Wanyonyi.. He claims to be God Almighty and Jesus to be his son.. What does such blasphemy have to do with culture?? "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic and no one would name their child "God" in whatever culture you will ever find... Or what do you think Christians in Palestine and Syria call God?? Stop being ignorant!!! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I said Matthew 5. Not Qur'aan
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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This debate has no end. Every thread that has some religious connotations somehow ends up the same. As long as each believes in their faith, we'll all end up in a circle. This thing has no end. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:Why is it blasphemy? God does not want children of any culture being named Allah? Why are you reasoning like a three year old toddler?? You gave an example of Jehovah Wanyonyi.. He claims to be God Almighty and Jesus to be his son.. What does such blasphemy have to do with culture?? "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic and no one would name their child "God" in whatever culture you will ever find... Or what do you think Christians in Palestine and Syria call God?? Stop being ignorant!!! your ngongoz are the ones that are making you get all fired up! I am saying anyone should be able to name their child 'God' if they wanted to... heck there a monitoring framework in Ruby known as 'God' found here (http://godrb.com/). The only negative thing that will result from naming your child 'God', 'Allah', 'Omwami', 'Wanyonyi', [place your deity name here] would come from zealous adherents to the religion that worships [place your deity name here] rather than the deity him/herself. This brings a second angle to this whole argument do people in arabic/islamic society fear God or fear zealous prefects who act as right hand men/women of God? some woman is facing flogging in Iran coz of a cheek kiss - why? because some people walikazwa!!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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I swear! You are like a kicking screaming baby! Now we are talking about women in Iran I thought we were talking about naming of kids here! And back to topic.. It has nothing to do with Islam... No sane Christian person anywhere will baptize a child "God"! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:I swear! You are like a kicking screaming baby! Now we are talking about women in Iran I thought we were talking about naming of kids here! And back to topic.. It has nothing to do with Islam... No sane Christian person anywhere will baptize a child "God"! yes... but if someone wishes to will it be the fear of 'God' or the fear of the above mentioned self appointed prefects that stops them? I put it to you that if anyone names a child 'God' and everyone else minds their own business God will not be bothered!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:if anyone names a child 'God' and everyone else minds their own business God will not be bothered!! So is that the Law of @masukuma or the Gospel according to @masukuma or the revelation to @masukuma?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:if anyone names a child 'God' and everyone else minds their own business God will not be bothered!! So is that the Law of @masukuma or the Gospel according to @masukuma or the revelation to @masukuma?? that is the law that people should live by! one which asks people to mind their own business. After all you will be accountable to God for yourself!! Everyone came into this world in exactly the same manner - why should others seek to dictate to you what you should do yet it causes them no harm? the law should be 'your rights end where mine begin'. Why would people elevate themselves above others based on writings that were written 100 generations ago by people who thought the world was round, heaven was above the clouds and thought God was absent minded when he created swine? If you cannot take advise from your grand father on whom you should marry why would you take advise from someone elses great great great great great...grand father on what you should name your child? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:masukuma wrote:if anyone names a child 'God' and everyone else minds their own business God will not be bothered!! So is that the Law of @masukuma or the Gospel according to @masukuma or the revelation to @masukuma?? that is the law that people should live by! one which asks people to mind their own business. After all you will be accountable to God for yourself!! Everyone came into this world in exactly the same manner - why should others seek to dictate to you what you should do yet it causes them no harm? the law should be 'your rights end where mine begin'. Why would people elevate themselves above others based on writings that were written 100 generations ago by people who thought the world was round, heaven was above the clouds and thought God was absent minded when he created swine? If you cannot take advise from your grand father on whom you should marry why would you take advise from someone elses great great great great great...grand father on what you should name your child? Mia  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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