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Mt Kenya University starts medical school
kiterunner
#81 Posted : Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:58:17 PM
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nakujua wrote:
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most nurses and clinical officers easily step in the doctors roles in most hospitals around the country, there is nothing much when it comes to gp's and the qualifications - kmtc can as well train doctors.


I'm waiting for the day when I'll see a nurse or a CO doing a caesarian section or a laparatomy. A CO would fit in no other health care system in the world except the Kenyan one.

You will probably never see a nurse or a CO perform the procedures - though not sure but I have a feeling the graduate nurses might be trained in emergency Cesarian procedures.

CO's would probably fit in a more qualified paramedics role in the west. the position was created to bridge the need for specialized medical personnel in the country due to the lack of doctors.

Anyway, a bigger percentage of health issues do not involve caesarian sections or a laparatomy - either way I doubt if most gp in the country can perform the said procedures. Those are meant for more specialized personnel.



Look at Cuba, it has one of the best medical systems in the world. Their medical schools dont only admit A+ students. In Kenya COs offer medical care to the majority of Kenyans and I suspect including the relatives of these doctors upcountry. There is always room for improvement and you can pick anecdotal incidents of MMed doctors mistakes if you want (closing CS with towels, anyone remember?)but that is not the point.

I maintain MKU and others are doing us (Kenyans) a good service by bringing more doctors to the marketplace. I wouldnt just dismiss them from hearsay. I hope regulators will ensure they offer proper training. I think its a good step that the board will be offering board exams to ensure doctors are trained properly in all local universities.

The lack of sufficient specialist doctors can be partly explained by limited number of scholarships offered by GOK at UoN/Moi in the past to control supply (and preserve the exclusive club) but not because there is a shortage of Kenyan doctors ready and able to specialize. The newer medical schools will train more i hope. I have never been to Thika level 5 so I dont know their bed capacities and cases they handle but I know Kisii level 5 handles referral cases for the whole of South Nyanza and has sufficient specialists to run a medical school and offer sufficient training.


In some countries (US, UK, SA, Philippines) medicine is a graduate degree ie you finish your BSc then go to medical school for 4 years to get a medical degree, people have gone out there with B- from Kenya and came back to sit board exams are here among you treating patients in Kenya.

Part of the role of being a physician is offering reliable information to the public.
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urstill
#82 Posted : Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:31:20 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
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I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff.

The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost

100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff?


No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that)


If you read the article, you will see the breakdown i.e, 20 professors (i suspect including associate profs) and other teaching staff.
I think UoN may have over 100 profs, University of Cape Town has many more


Link? Not very many lecturers have a doctorate degree and those who have very few have completed post-doctoral fellowship, which is a minimum requirement for assistant professorship. I do not even think there is an institution offering post-doctoral fellowship in Africa except for a selected few in SA.

PS: Associate professor is a level above assistant one.


The Kenyan University system is unique as it does not recognise postdocs officially. Here they dont do postdoc you just hop through the following posts with approximately 3-4 years at each post.
1. Tutorial Fellow 2. Ass. lecturer 3. Lecturer(PhD) 4. Seniour lecturer (PhD) 5. Ass Prof (PhD) 6. Prof (PhD)

For the top half of the ladder you are required to have published a book chapter or 3 academic research articles and supervise a couple of PhD and masters students. In short its a system that rewards how long you have been around

Postdocs are offered by some universities in Africa (I know SA and Ghana). In Kenya research instituitions like KEMRI, ICIPE ... have postdoc positions as well.




Thanks for putting me in the know on KEMRI and ICIPE. I once saw something like that while at ICIPE in Homa Bay county. If that's how how our profs are tenured then they do not need so much pay.
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urstill
#83 Posted : Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:44:55 PM
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And please guys stop this lie that Kenyan C students go to serious Indian Medical Colleges to study Medicine. India has one of the most competitive entrance examinations for the Medical School and that is why the Indians make some of the best doctors in the world. Of course they also have quack medical schools which will take anybody who wants to pay for it.


Hii ni ukweli. There's is a friend, yes a friend. He got a C, went to India and took MBCHB ya huko. Came back, now works with missionaries from Spain somewhere in Lodwar, Marsabit.
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#85 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:01:09 PM
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So Mount Kenya University sacked all Adjunct lecturers without payment of their outstanding arrears for the last 2 years.There is an ongoing demonstration in town(City Centre) over the same.
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#86 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:31:30 PM
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So Mount Kenya University sacked all Adjunct lecturers without payment of their outstanding arrears for the last 2 years.There is an ongoing demonstration in town(City Centre) over the same.


Just because MKU is politically connected they should not have uncouth behaviour.
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#87 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:45:14 PM
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marko wrote:
keraka wrote:
So Mount Kenya University sacked all Adjunct lecturers without payment of their outstanding arrears for the last 2 years.There is an ongoing demonstration in town(City Centre) over the same.


Just because MKU is politically connected they should not have uncouth behaviour.


They should go and demonstrate in MKU offices and lecture rooms not on the streets.

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keraka
#88 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:39:44 PM
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Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
keraka wrote:
So Mount Kenya University sacked all Adjunct lecturers without payment of their outstanding arrears for the last 2 years.There is an ongoing demonstration in town(City Centre) over the same.


Just because MKU is politically connected they should not have uncouth behaviour.


They should go and demonstrate in MKU offices and lecture rooms not on the streets.

Their rights ends where my rights starts!


How does that interfere with your rights.
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#89 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:43:17 PM
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keraka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
keraka wrote:
So Mount Kenya University sacked all Adjunct lecturers without payment of their outstanding arrears for the last 2 years.There is an ongoing demonstration in town(City Centre) over the same.


Just because MKU is politically connected they should not have uncouth behaviour.


They should go and demonstrate in MKU offices and lecture rooms not on the streets.

Their rights ends where my rights starts!


How does that interfere with your rights.


My right to use the road in the city centre-You(MKU lectures) are inconveniencing me
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