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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:B. Timer, Lolest!, AlphDoti, Tycho.
Lolest's is a classic example of taking the bible out of context. The passage he quoted that he takes as addressing 'food' infact addresses 'tradition'. That is the context and 'food' was merely the example used.
That is why later on all the 12 apostles agreed, led by the Holy Spirit and James, to tell the new gentile believers to "abstain from food polluted by idols" among other things.
The story is in Acts 15.
Now, either
(a) Jesus (God) was right in his example about food
(b) the apostles led by the Holy Spirit (God) was right about abstaining from certain foods or
(c) Lolest's interpretation, notwithstanding his use of KJV and 'Shakespearean English', that all foods is good is simply wrong.
There is a certain class of christians who have got these issues of law and grace right and AlphDoti cannot bring such accusations about the law of them.
By the way, Antiochus IV Epiphanes abomination of sacrificing a pig on the Jewish altar should not really be an 'abomination' if Lolest's interpretation is right. His and the 'cantankerous' one are the kind of posts that get religious threads frozen! @Muriel you see I was just pointing out what their own pastor is saying. But now @Lolest! quotes Mark 7, which to me is contradicting other parts of the scripture. But it's up to them. Their own pastor, he tells them your scripture says what they should not eat. He says this includes anything that has to do with pig. Of course you love pork chops, but he says for your health sake, Quote:I think people will have to be willing to make some changes, because God knows what is best for us. People never considered a source of food. The pig would eat anything. A pig eats wastes and garbage. A pig would eat other sick and infected animals. They are scavengers. What's interesting is a pig has one of the quickest and poorest digestive system, it takes only 4 hours. So many times, the toxic from the food are not properly eliminated and hence stored in the pig's fat. That means that pig can eat any kind of waste and garbage and other infection, four hours later it is sent to the slaughter and putcher and in a few days it is in a plate. The problem is the toxins were never properly eliminated from the pig.
If you compare this to other animals that God said it's okay for us to eat, like cow, lamb, goat, buffalo, these animals eat fresh, green vegetation. Their digestive system is much more sophisticated. The digestive system takes 24 hours.
Think about it, would you rather eat an animals whose digestive system takes 4 fours or animal whose digestive system take 24 hours.
Would you rather eat an animal that eats waste or an animals that eats fresh vegetation. How do you know if that pork you eat came from Dandora dump site Farmers ChoiceFarmers choice would have bought the pig from the Dandora farmer. How do you know? AlphDoti, What  ! has done is what you also do when you go quoting bible to point out 'contradictions'. I hope to bring this out again when you resume quoting it. I have watched that video so there is no need to give a report. Personally, I think there are better things to eat than pig so I don't know where sausages come from. I respect the food chain and so you wont find me feeding on the scavengers. Thats the work of the decomposers, you know. So I am wondering when you say 'Of course you love pork chops,,,,,,' whom are you referring to? @Muriel I understood you clearly. I was referring to @Lolest! who contradicted himself by quoting Mark 7. If you don't eat the scavenger, you're good, because there are many, many other food options to choose from.
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1 Corinthians 10.
Paul's writing to the Corinthians and indeed all the writings of Paul have been used to negate aspects of the bible that are not pleasing e.g. in this case of foods.
Paul had a complicated way of writing that many have misunderstood. He was a scholar after all. Even John recognized this and states he is hard to understand but if we don't understand him we will have a sorry end.
That is in 1 John 3:15 onward.
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@Imam, Please help us get 'Sunday sermons' opened up too and I will convert to islam for a day  It seems you know people.
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AlphDoti wrote: @Lolest! who contradicted himself by quoting Mark 7.. where's the contradiction?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Muriel wrote:
By the way, Antiochus IV Epiphanes abomination of sacrificing a pig on the Jewish altar should not really be an 'abomination' if Lolest's interpretation is right. His and the 'cantankerous' one are the kind of posts that get religious threads frozen!
I had not been active here when it was banned 
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote: @Lolest! who contradicted himself by quoting Mark 7.. where's the contradiction? In the meantime, look at this post #42
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote: @Lolest! who contradicted himself by quoting Mark 7.. where's the contradiction? In the meantime, look at this post #42 Ridiculous!! My bad!!!!!!!! Sorry!!!!!! I meant 2 Peter 3:15- onward !!! A thousand apologies for directing readers to wrong place. Paul being misunderstood is here not 1 John 3:15. And it is Peter, not John and that no one pointed it out means no one is reading!!!!!!!! No one is checking whether what I am saying is true or not!!!!!!!! Amazing!!!!!! So what exactly, kind sir, are you referring @ to?
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The thoughtful discourse in this video brought much sought after clarity on the pork issue. @Tycho can give further clarification on the "bringing balance to the universe" issues discussed herein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWGfM3xYi2U
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Romans 14 The Weak and the Strong 14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b] 12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or lsister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 1 "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Muriel wrote:1 Corinthians 10.
Paul's writing to the Corinthians and indeed all the writings of Paul have been used to negate aspects of the bible that are not pleasing e.g. in this case of foods.
Paul had a complicated way of writing that many have misunderstood. He was a scholar after all. Even John recognized this and states he is hard to understand but if we don't understand him we will have a sorry end.
what do you understand from Paul's writings? Quote:25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]
27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
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