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Kenya nuclear power programme
enyands
#41 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 12:26:14 AM
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masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Where will this plant be based? Nyanza?



Wasilete nyanza please they can take it to masukuma's county .he can help them with disaster management when the shit hits the fan.
Btw why is masukuma only for this nuclear crap?

because I have a brain and prefer to process information rather than buy B.S. narratives peddled by fear mongers. Wewe ukiogopa ogopa peke yako!



This dream will never ever materialize in kenya .the usa have given a warning shot .you read the paper yesterday .... good ... .wacha tuongonjee
tycho
#42 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 12:38:07 AM
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masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Where will this plant be based? Nyanza?



Wasilete nyanza please they can take it to masukuma's county .he can help them with disaster management when the shit hits the fan.
Btw why is masukuma only for this nuclear crap?

because I have a brain and prefer to process information rather than buy B.S. narratives peddled by fear mongers. Wewe ukiogopa ogopa peke yako!


Even a fool processes information and is often bold, and is likely to regard other people's ideas as B.S.

enyands
#43 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 6:34:59 AM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Where will this plant be based? Nyanza?



Wasilete nyanza please they can take it to masukuma's county .he can help them with disaster management when the shit hits the fan.
Btw why is masukuma only for this nuclear crap?

because I have a brain and prefer to process information rather than buy B.S. narratives peddled by fear mongers. Wewe ukiogopa ogopa peke yako!


Even a fool processes information and is often bold, and is likely to regard other people's ideas as He said Kenya should first exploit other energy sources before building capacity to adopt nuclear energy




“I am yet to be convinced over why we are talking about nuclear and yet we have not even exploited half of Geothermal. I will rally MPs to oppose this venture,” he warned. But in equal measure there are some legislators rooting for nuclear and say Kenya cannot afford not to go the nuclear way




In choosing this means of generating electricity, “you are committing yourself and future generations for hundreds and thousands of years to the nuclear fuel cycle and to the cost of maintaining safe disposal” of radioactive wastes, Mr Countryman noted kama usa wanaona shida and they have many of those reactors,wewe ni nani hapa kenya thinking you have a smart ass than these usa guys? Don't talk about ati them being jelousy of maendeleo kenya!!

More so if you can read my article above it will cost $5billiom to set up a reactor in masukuma's county, then how many eurobond will you take to cover this ? With all this debt burden?
anyway masukuma trust me ,Raila tried to make a deal with French when he was a PM,it failed , Ayako tried last year it failed ,this year some guys are trying and it will fail .So I'm at peace for now.BTW kenya has no industrial burst to demand all this energy ,they just say for domestic use only which is ironical.

I see hapa watu watashangaa na wataamuka .Keep on living on world of fantasy .For me I'm at peace there is no where this project is going nowhere .
masukuma
#44 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 5:20:40 PM
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enyands wrote:
masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Where will this plant be based? Nyanza?



Wasilete nyanza please they can take it to masukuma's county .he can help them with disaster management when the shit hits the fan.
Btw why is masukuma only for this nuclear crap?

because I have a brain and prefer to process information rather than buy B.S. narratives peddled by fear mongers. Wewe ukiogopa ogopa peke yako!



This dream will never ever materialize in kenya .the usa have given a warning shot .you read the paper yesterday .... good ... .wacha tuongonjee

the reason hatutapata ni sababu ya fearmongers kama nyinyi!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
enyands
#45 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 5:31:57 PM
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masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
masukuma wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
Where will this plant be based? Nyanza?



Wasilete nyanza please they can take it to masukuma's county .he can help them with disaster management when the shit hits the fan.
Btw why is masukuma only for this nuclear crap?

because I have a brain and prefer to process information rather than buy B.S. narratives peddled by fear mongers. Wewe ukiogopa ogopa peke yako!



This dream will never ever materialize in kenya .the usa have given a warning shot .you read the paper yesterday .... good ... .wacha tuongonjee

the reason hatutapata ni sababu ya fearmongers kama nyinyi!


Germany is cutting down their nuclear ambition kabisa and are going green . Are we smarter than Germans . What kenya is doing is that they are living into 1930 when the first world's were going through industrial revolution .now they are using ocean wave technology to generate electricity.

Sisi kenyans with a mentality of masukuma want to go to 1930 where 1st world's were ? Which I believe is turning us into neanderthal pathways.look for newer techs .we have oceans why can't we instal windfarms at the oceans where it's no man's land and there is no conflict of interest like the famous flopped kinangop wind farms?

Some kenyans are just too greedy. They want quick and spontaneous energy source without thinking the cycle effect of those nuclear wastes .I call this dwarf thinking .Usa is managing because they have the resources to do it . Do we ???ama it's another eurobond we will need to cycle nuclear wastes ?
murchr
#46 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 5:36:18 PM
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Where will it be based? If we have no idea....then ni pesa ya campaign inatafutwa.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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enyands
#47 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 5:50:34 PM
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enyands wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
enyands wrote:



Chemirocha with all due respect I clearly understand where you are coming from but I have 4 questions for you :


1 If there happens a leakage like the one that happened in pollman Washington state how would kenya government handle it mr.chemirocha? With all these boreholes people are digging left right and centre???

2 Countries that are managing well the nuclear powers are first world? Kenya do we have technology ? Do we even have courses in colleges about nuclear ?

3 do we have disaster management should there be a crisis of nuclear like japan ?do we?. An unfortunate accident happened in Thika road sometime .a woman had a leg that was cut and she was bleeding . People rushed to see and the went away screaming "huyo amekufa hayuko?" And she was still alive , guess what because of lack of ambulances and mere FIRST AID TRAINING she passed on.Now back to my point ,with this kind of mentality do we have disaster management structures

4 have we exhausted all the available green energies ???

5 kwani usa na Russia ni wajinga when they try to discourage people from doing nuclear?why are they even moving away from nuclear and going green ?

As you advised I have put my emotional feelings aside.answer categorically all these 5 questions with facts and I'll respect your contribution.meanwhile answer them one by one as I have stated ....I'm waiting


Very reasonable questions, I will try my best to answer you.

1. The facility at Pullman Washington State University is a research institution and not explicitly the field of power generation. The way I understand it, the incident involved a leak in the university sewer system and was picked before any damage to human life or the environment. A high standard of safety should be a must if we are to even consider the nuclear route.

2. Developing countries such as South Africa, Pakistan, India, Egypt and former Soviet Union/ Warsaw Pact states such as Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia have run nuclear power plants.

Since 2012, Kenya has been partnering with the International Atomic Energy Agency to train engineers and build capacity. Locally UoN does offer courses in nuclear science at the Masters level. The expertise is definitely there.

3. The biggest disaster from a power generation project was a dam failure in China. Over 100,000 perished and 11 million were displaced. At present there are also fears over the Kariba Dam in Zambia/ Zimbabwe and Mosul Dam in Iraq.

Secondly geothermal power projects have resulted in earthquakes in Switzerland and the United States.

Seven Forks and Olkaria have been running for many years without the fear of catastrophic failure. The point is Kenya has a reasonable level of competency when it comes to managing such complex and high risk projects. Nuclear should not be treated any different.

4. Kenya is presently at its peak capacity with hydroelectric power generation and geothermal capacity is not as promising as the state's ambition of achieving 5000 MW production.

Wind and solar may sound good but they are both expensive and impractical. Remember solar power is unavailable at peak consumer demand which is in the evening and night time.

Another example, the planned Kajiado wind farm is expected to bring a peak 100 MW from a construction cost of 22 billion shillings. Compare with Olkaria III which is expected to produce 110 MW from a construction cost of 3 billion. You be the judge on which is more cost effective.

5. Admittedly the European Union and Japan and strongly against nuclear power generation. The big powers Germany, UK and France intend to completely phase out nuclear power out of safety concerns.

On the other hand, the United States has commissioned nine new nuclear plants in the last ten years alone. Russia and China are also investing billions of dollars to build new nuclear power plants and upgrade existing facilities.


It doesn't matter if the nuclear material is for research or submarine use or nuclear bombs.once they are spent storage becomes a challenge. That's the bottom line . In kenya we don't have enough back up facility to support implementation of nuclear project especially R&D.

I'll finish by saying you have put up a good fight and it's not my wish to outsmart you or you outsmart me, albeit should a human error happen ,we don't have the contigency capacity to contain this . Our environment and ecosystem are too delicate to be exposed to this.

Hope as they implement this idea let it not happen in my county . We are peaceful there and have a vulnerable ecosystem there. Please chemirocha you can welcome those nuclear reactors in your county.for my county I'll use all my available resources to sue the govt and make sure they don't install those reactors there. I can't win fight with govt but I can buy time. I bow out



Just get your facts right sir. It's not a Washington state university nuclear research centre. WSU in pollman but doesnt mean they own this facility.its a government restricted area.these nuclear wastes are proceeds from nuclear bombs that were being used during the cold wars .please let Wikipedia be your friend

I repeat again the way you store nuclear wastes from manufactur of nucs and nuclear energy is the same .they both use plutonium and it has same wastes once done .


"Established in 1943 as part of the Manhattan Project in Hanford, south-central Washington, the site was home to the B Reactor, the first full-scale plutonium production reactor in the world.[1] Plutonium manufactured at the site was used in the first nuclear bomb, tested at the Trinity site, and in Fat Man, the bomb detonated over Nagasaki, Japan."


Didn't know WSU helped in the manufacture of nuclear bombs......according to masukuma
enyands
#48 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 7:44:22 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
enyands wrote:
enyands wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
enyands wrote:



Chemirocha with all due respect I clearly understand where you are coming from but I have 4 questions for you :


1 If there happens a leakage like the one that happened in pollman Washington state how would kenya government handle it mr.chemirocha? With all these boreholes people are digging left right and centre???

2 Countries that are managing well the nuclear powers are first world? Kenya do we have technology ? Do we even have courses in colleges about nuclear ?

3 do we have disaster management should there be a crisis of nuclear like japan ?do we?. An unfortunate accident happened in Thika road sometime .a woman had a leg that was cut and she was bleeding . People rushed to see and the went away screaming "huyo amekufa hayuko?" And she was still alive , guess what because of lack of ambulances and mere FIRST AID TRAINING she passed on.Now back to my point ,with this kind of mentality do we have disaster management structures

4 have we exhausted all the available green energies ???

5 kwani usa na Russia ni wajinga when they try to discourage people from doing nuclear?why are they even moving away from nuclear and going green ?

As you advised I have put my emotional feelings aside.answer categorically all these 5 questions with facts and I'll respect your contribution.meanwhile answer them one by one as I have stated ....I'm waiting


Very reasonable questions, I will try my best to answer you.

1. The facility at Pullman Washington State University is a research institution and not explicitly the field of power generation. The way I understand it, the incident involved a leak in the university sewer system and was picked before any damage to human life or the environment. A high standard of safety should be a must if we are to even consider the nuclear route.

2. Developing countries such as South Africa, Pakistan, India, Egypt and former Soviet Union/ Warsaw Pact states such as Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia have run nuclear power plants.

Since 2012, Kenya has been partnering with the International Atomic Energy Agency to train engineers and build capacity. Locally UoN does offer courses in nuclear science at the Masters level. The expertise is definitely there.

3. The biggest disaster from a power generation project was a dam failure in China. Over 100,000 perished and 11 million were displaced. At present there are also fears over the Kariba Dam in Zambia/ Zimbabwe and Mosul Dam in Iraq.

Secondly geothermal power projects have resulted in earthquakes in Switzerland and the United States.

Seven Forks and Olkaria have been running for many years without the fear of catastrophic failure. The point is Kenya has a reasonable level of competency when it comes to managing such complex and high risk projects. Nuclear should not be treated any different.

4. Kenya is presently at its peak capacity with hydroelectric power generation and geothermal capacity is not as promising as the state's ambition of achieving 5000 MW production.

Wind and solar may sound good but they are both expensive and impractical. Remember solar power is unavailable at peak consumer demand which is in the evening and night time.

Another example, the planned Kajiado wind farm is expected to bring a peak 100 MW from a construction cost of 22 billion shillings. Compare with Olkaria III which is expected to produce 110 MW from a construction cost of 3 billion. You be the judge on which is more cost effective.

5. Admittedly the European Union and Japan and strongly against nuclear power generation. The big powers Germany, UK and France intend to completely phase out nuclear power out of safety concerns.

On the other hand, the United States has commissioned nine new nuclear plants in the last ten years alone. Russia and China are also investing billions of dollars to build new nuclear power plants and upgrade existing facilities.


It doesn't matter if the nuclear material is for research or submarine use or nuclear bombs.once they are spent storage becomes a challenge. That's the bottom line . In kenya we don't have enough back up facility to support implementation of nuclear project especially R&D.

I'll finish by saying you have put up a good fight and it's not my wish to outsmart you or you outsmart me, albeit should a human error happen ,we don't have the contigency capacity to contain this . Our environment and ecosystem are too delicate to be exposed to this.

Hope as they implement this idea let it not happen in my county . We are peaceful there and have a vulnerable ecosystem there. Please chemirocha you can welcome those nuclear reactors in your county.for my county I'll use all my available resources to sue the govt and make sure they don't install those reactors there. I can't win fight with govt but I can buy time. I bow out



Just get your facts right sir. It's not a Washington state university nuclear research centre. WSU in pollman but doesnt mean they own this facility.its a government restricted area.these nuclear wastes are proceeds from nuclear bombs that were being used during the cold wars .please let Wikipedia be your friend

I repeat again the way you store nuclear wastes from manufactur of nucs and nuclear energy is the same .they both use plutonium and it has same wastes once done .


"Established in 1943 as part of the Manhattan Project in Hanford, south-central Washington, the site was home to the B Reactor, the first full-scale plutonium production reactor in the world.[1] Plutonium manufactured at the site was used in the first nuclear bomb, tested at the Trinity site, and in Fat Man, the bomb detonated over Nagasaki, Japan."


Didn't know WSU helped in the manufacture of nuclear bombs......according to masukuma


It's better to read such news than nuclear ambition .130 acres is enough to produce 50mgw of clean green electricity than 10 acres producing 2000mgw dirty and dangerous electricity

Taurrus
#49 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:35:41 PM
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murchr wrote:
Where will it be based? If we have no idea....then ni pesa ya campaign inatafutwa.

Kama kawaida ya mega projects na pyramidssmile This time around ni Betting!
Taurrus
#50 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:37:54 PM
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Hio ni five years almost na bado ingine 15! serikali saidia!
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