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GMO Ugali
'user'
#41 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:03:28 AM
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'user' wrote:
GMO has been associated with impotence .I'm still wondering who is selling our future(of course the future between our legsAnxious Anxious ).
Who is this pushing for the GMOs to be brought into the country?

Beth Mugo has said that there was no cabinet agreement on the importation of GMO .The issue was not discussed in the cabinet meeting .

I have noted with a closer analysis that PNU Mpgs(mugo , Mututho , the kirinyaga construction company Mp cant remember his name) are against the importation . No ODM MP has talked about it.
(Some wazua ODM supporters are for the GMOs)

Should I read between the lines?



ODM is out in support , Raila Mudavadi.

Raila is my man but ,I'm confused.

Are the GMO cheaper , since we are importing them not to plant but to eat only? in this case cant we just import the normal maize?

Why import to grind to ugali and eat only ? How will that benefit our farmers?

Isnt this experimenting , ie grind the blooody gmo , give them to the poor and if they dont drop dead , we now start planting them ?

Im angry .

Raila, better read the mood of the poor who votes for him.
Will the GMO land on the tables of the rich ?
Why GMO for eating only I ask again.


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Sasha
#42 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:15:05 AM
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@YesuWangu: Ever heard of the word 'patent'? So you expect a company to invest billions of dollars in RnD and come up with a better fruit, then just philanthropically give it out? Seriously? This is akin to saying that since BMW have a better machine as compared to a Toyota, they should give out their BMWs so that we can all enjoy the benefits thereof! C'mon! If you have to plant oranges, plant the kawaida ones!

Labeling has been a controversial subject. I don't see anything wrong with it. However, the companies that are producing the GM foods feel that labeling should be extended to include all additives and preservatives which the proponents of the drive were against. Tell me that your eating habits will change because your ugali all of a sudden has a label!
mukiha
#43 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:16:14 AM
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@mburuke; Michael Joseph was right: Kenyans are a peculiar lot! They would rather believe what politicians tell them, but when opinion polls are conducted, they tell the pollsters that they don't trust politicians. Perhaps I should have said that Kenyans are liars, but that would have been too harsh.

Today, we are rejecting GM foods because some politicians (Mututho et al) have said they are not safe. Yet our scientists are telling us that nobody has proven that GM foods are unsafe!

It reminds me of the hoolabaloo about the drink Alvaro. When questions were raised about whether it contains alcohol (since it is produced by a beer company using barley), the Government Chemist went to EABL and collected random samples.

The samples were tested in the lab and were found not to contain any alcohol. The report was given to the parliamentary committee investigating the matter. However, the MPs didn't believe it, so they made an "inspection tour" of the production facility.

Now, none of this lot was an industrial chemist, so all they saw were machines producing the drink but no one understood exaclty what was going on! But they still came out patting themselves on the back and proclaiming that they have "confirmed that Alvaro has no alcohol".

It was only then that Kenyans trusted the drink!

Like you, I am a scientist, though not in your field of expertise; so, like Chaka Khan said: "I feel for you".
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mukiha
#44 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:23:55 AM
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Sasha wrote:
@YesuWangu: Ever heard of the word 'patent'? So you expect a company to invest billions in RnD and come up with a better fruit, then just philanthropically give it out? Seriously? This is akin to saying that since BMW have a better machine as compared to a Toyota, they should give out their BMWs so that we can all enjoy the benefits thereof! C'mon! If you have to plant oranges, plant the kawaida ones!


@Sasha: precisely! Many people do not believe in rewarding hard work. It is the same mentality you find with people who reproduce recorded music and photocopy books.

It takes a lot of hard work to compose a song or write a book. It's a shame that some one else will buy one copy then reproduce it and sell without rewarding the composer.

This is how Esther Wahome almost went bankrupt after singing "Kuna Dawa". She has never gotten a single shilling from her most popular song!
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MaichBlack
#45 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:38:04 AM
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Sasha wrote:
Very interesting! A lot of misinformation flying around here!

I'm usually averse to engaging in discourse about genetic engineering because people, as is evident here, tend to base their arguments on unfounded fears! It is human scourge known as Fear of the Unknown!

@Sasha - "As is evident" from your post, you surely haven't gone through the whole thread and/or links. There are people who have pasted links to studies for example showing that the chemicals used in GMOs were found in foetuses and pregnant mothers' blood. Some of this articles indicated that as a result of these research some of the countries that previously allowed GMOs in their countries were in the process of burning them. These included countries like Canada if I'm not wrong. You categorize that as fear of the unknown?
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'user'
#46 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:39:09 AM
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Among the population, biologist David Schubert of the Salk Institute warns that “children are the most likely to be adversely effected by toxins and other dietary problems” related to GM foods. He says without adequate studies, the children become “the experimental animals.”

The experience of actual GM-fed experimental animals is scary. When GM soy was fed to female rats, most of their babies died within three weeks—compared to a 10% death rate among the control group fed natural soy. The GM-fed babies were also smaller, and later had problems getting pregnant.

http://www.foodmatters.t...0It's%20Not%20Pretty
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mukiha
#47 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:39:56 AM
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mukiha wrote:
Sasha wrote:
@YesuWangu: Ever heard of the word 'patent'? So you expect a company to invest billions in RnD and come up with a better fruit, then just philanthropically give it out? Seriously? This is akin to saying that since BMW have a better machine as compared to a Toyota, they should give out their BMWs so that we can all enjoy the benefits thereof! C'mon! If you have to plant oranges, plant the kawaida ones!


@Sasha: precisely! Many people do not believe in rewarding hard work. It is the same mentality you find with people who reproduce recorded music and photocopy books.

It takes a lot of hard work to compose a song or write a book. It's a shame that some one else will buy one copy then reproduce it and sell without rewarding the composer.

This is how Esther Wahome almost went bankrupt after singing "Kuna Dawa". She has never gotten a single shilling from her most popular song!



And to illustrate the mentality above, see this post I have just lifted from THE THREAD: If only Our Kenyan Police...:

Sober wrote:
For your info you dont have to work very hard to win a race. It is 85% inborn ability the than the trainning will give you the rest, that is why you just mentioned people from the rift, each person should strive to archive and perfect what he/she is good at.


Who will help our people out of this mindset?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
majimaji
#48 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 10:47:07 AM
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I read somewhere that a cow (or goat maybe) has been cloned to produce human milk. This on the face of it looks good for there are children who for whatever reason do not access their mothers' milk and could benefit.
But how far can science go?
GMO is the equivalent of cloning in animals, is it not?
I would thus imagine that it is possible to manipulate plant genes to mimic a hormone (contraceptive) or a steroid or add vitamins etc.
What needs to be clear to anyone before you dip your hand to scoop you ugali is: what gene in that maize has been modified/added? You owe that info to yourself and your family.
YesuWangu
#49 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 11:01:45 AM
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Sasha wrote:
@YesuWangu: Ever heard of the word 'patent'? So you expect a company to invest billions of dollars in RnD and come up with a better fruit, then just philanthropically give it out? Seriously? This is akin to saying that since BMW have a better machine as compared to a Toyota, they should give out their BMWs so that we can all enjoy the benefits thereof! C'mon! If you have to plant oranges, plant the kawaida ones!

Labeling has been a controversial subject. I don't see anything wrong with it. However, the companies that are producing the GM foods feel that labeling should be extended to include all additives and preservatives which the proponents of the drive were against. Tell me that your eating habits will change because your ugali all of a sudden has a label!



Ahhh.

Now we are getting to the heart of the matter lets keep the main thing the main thing:

Restrictions on distribution and access to (food) based on capacity to purchase. The moral question!

On comparisons, the medical sector are already doing that to drugs with cheaper generic varieties that are saving lives in third world countries, ours included.

I say GM creators should drop the hardline stance on control. Its not winning more support for their cause.
Sasha
#50 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 11:03:49 AM
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@MaichBlack: FYI, I have gone through the thread, and I have read the reports you allude to. But for you to appreciate the fallacy of some of the reports, you need to understand the essence of genetic engineering. Genetic engineering does not utilise any chemicals rather specific gene sequences responsible for manifestation of some desired characters. So when you say 'chemicals found in GM foods', I don't understand where you are coming from.

These reports talk about the Bt toxin being found in blood. The Bt toxin has been used in agriculture for decades as an element in many insecticidal sprays. As such we have been consuming it for a long time. So all of a sudden it is harmful? The alarmists have claimed that the toxin used to engineer plants is different from the one used in sprays. How is it different when it is coming from the same bacteria? FYI, the Bt toxin was used in RDT (Recombinant DNA Technology) as a way of reducing its used in agricultural sprays, you know, the ones that are depleting our ozone layer?

Like I said, I'm averse to discuss this issue because people seem to have a made-up-mind because of what has been 'said' and rarely look at the facts.
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