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Jamani
#81 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:58:52 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
James Mwangi was on telly jana saying how he is thinking of how to replicate the Equity model in Kenya's mortgage market. His vision is to see a person earning 20K accessing a mortgage. My 1st thought was SUBPRIME HERE WE COME.

Imagine the kind of profits Equity would make!


Thats the start of a local economic crises,
jerry
#82 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:36:44 PM
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Jamani wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
James Mwangi was on telly jana saying how he is thinking of how to replicate the Equity model in Kenya's mortgage market. His vision is to see a person earning 20K accessing a mortgage. My 1st thought was SUBPRIME HERE WE COME.

Imagine the kind of profits Equity would make!


Thats the start of a local economic crises,

Is he (J. Mwangi) to offer mortgage thro' HF where EB owns close to 25% or via EB itself. With 5% ownership of EB and over 20yrs at the helm, why can't he retire? He can try governor of (is it) Murang'a county.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#83 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:20:18 PM
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Kwanini aretire? Kwani kuna term limits?
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For Sport
#84 Posted : Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:40:00 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Kwanini aretire? Kwani kuna term limits?


Subprime mortgages:
So far, financial institutions have been careful about who they lend to to ensure that people take mortgages they can afford to repay. The US problems were partly caused by greedy bankers who were hawking loans to all and sundry irrespective of ability to repay.
If his dream of lending to people who are on a salary of 20 k is realized without waiting for policy adjustments in the housing industry to deal with all the problems facing the housing industry like
- Speculation on land (which someone here has said accounts for 40%) of the cost
- Infrastructure development (which developers are now forced to do)
- Financing structure
the default rate in such loans will go UP. Other thing he said is EB makes its money on large volumes. Wondering how this would play out on the property market. “Fuel” a construction boom in that segment of the market to make sure maaaaany affordable houses are built, and then lend out to people on a 20k salary. Can only lead to irresponsible lending. Read somewhere that “mortgage” literally translated is something like “death lock”. Sure trigger to problems in that industry.
Read the thread on the “housing bubble” for lots of speculation about a burst.
VituVingiSana
#85 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 8:25:01 AM
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This is not a public office...
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#86 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 9:23:53 AM
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Mortgages sio mkate.
Equity will burn if its not careful
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#87 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 10:24:05 AM
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How can people draw so many conclusions on sub-prime yet EB has not published the entire proposed plan?
Don't be so pessimistic!
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#88 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 11:45:01 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mortgages sio mkate.
Equity will burn if its not careful

It's common sense that Equity do not have the experience that HF & S&L have in the Mortgage industry.
One sure way of going to the grave is for Equity to overlook its sister firm HF and take the plunge!
They have to stick to their core business, otherwise known as FOCUS!
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moneydust
#89 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 12:28:46 PM
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Those who are quick to criticize JMwangi proposal should know better...this man has single handedly revolutinized the banking industry.
Many banks in years gone by couldnt imagine life without exorbitant ledger fees...some to this day still cant..equity came and changed all that.
Going by his past achievements..we owe him atleast a chance to explain his idea which in my view is welcome. owning a house should be part of every kenyan dreams.
This is currently a mirage given the high cost of houses plus the high incomes required for one to obtain a mortgage...
mwanahisa
#90 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 12:38:18 PM
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Underestimate Equity Bank (JM) at your own peril. HF is already in their stable so they can draw on that experience.

If you read the BD story on the proposed British American Investments listing, it may give you some insights into some of the thinking going on in the Equity Bank/Housing Finance/ British American Investments consortium. I would not bet against these guys, UNLESS I have incontrovertible proof that they will fail and that will be pretty hard to come by.
VituVingiSana
#91 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 12:54:16 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Underestimate Equity Bank (JM) at your own peril. HF is already in their stable so they can draw on that experience.
AGREE...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Burning Spear
#92 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 1:08:20 PM
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I think there are so many pessimists here in wazua.First they should realise that what is imposible does not exist but not to say that Equity will burn even when they dont know whether there is some research commisioned by Equity to find the viability of the business in morgages involving low income earners.

When Equity launched their ledger fee FREE account,so many people were shouting on top of synagouges (spelling) that Equity would crash land.I was part of those people and was happily banking with Barclays and being frozen at every opportunity.Time passed fast and had to joint people in Equity by opening an account.
Mwangi's point is that if you earn something,then you can own something however little.ie If you earn handsomely,you can afford big mortgage in karen and the likes but if you earn 20K,you can afford mortgauge in Isinya and the likes.

So,its as simple as knowing your market other than dismissing anything and everything by your gut feelings.

(no pun intended)
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#93 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:01:48 PM
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hard to believe but Equity has traded slighty more than 30K shares at 25bob just before end of trading!
What a great buy at these prices!
@SufficientlyP
YOUNG ECONOMST
#94 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:13:32 PM
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Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray for it not to fall below 25.

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mwanahisa
#95 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:14:23 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
hard to believe but Equity has traded slighty more than 30K shares at 25bob just before end of trading!
What a great buy at these prices!


A great bargain to whoever got it at 25.
mwanahisa
#96 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:16:53 PM
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YOUNG ECONOMST wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray for it not to fall below 25.


This should not worry you too much. If the market (NSE) recovers, I will be expecting Equity to bounce back big as well. I am looking forward to buying at these prices!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#97 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:18:20 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
I think there are so many pessimists here in wazua.First they should realise that what is imposible does not exist but not to say that Equity will burn even when they dont know whether there is some research commisioned by Equity to find the viability of the business in morgages involving low income earners.

When Equity launched their ledger fee FREE account,so many people were shouting on top of synagouges (spelling) that Equity would crash land.I was part of those people and was happily banking with Barclays and being frozen at every opportunity.Time passed fast and had to joint people in Equity by opening an account.
Mwangi's point is that if you earn something,then you can own something however little.ie If you earn handsomely,you can afford big mortgage in karen and the likes but if you earn 20K,you can afford mortgauge in Isinya and the likes.

So,its as simple as knowing your market other than dismissing anything and everything by your gut feelings.

(no pun intended)

Cant agree more!
After reading last Thursday's DN on the Mortgage market's potential and after listening to JM and after talking to some chap in Equity, i have to admit i have been on the buying side of HF for the last 3 trading days having dumped power.
I'm looking at nothing short of 100% Profit growth this year and in the next two years. I however expect a lot of price volatility in this stock particularly next year due to politics, which i hope to gain from.It is not that liquid and is where Equity was before its stock split in H1 2009, another plus!
@SufficientlyP
erifloss
#98 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 3:57:24 PM
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For Sport wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Kwanini aretire? Kwani kuna term limits?


Subprime mortgages:
So far, financial institutions have been careful about who they lend to to ensure that people take mortgages they can afford to repay. The US problems were partly caused by greedy bankers who were hawking loans to all and sundry irrespective of ability to repay.
If his dream of lending to people who are on a salary of 20 k is realized without waiting for policy adjustments in the housing industry to deal with all the problems facing the housing industry like
- Speculation on land (which someone here has said accounts for 40%) of the cost
- Infrastructure development (which developers are now forced to do)
- Financing structure
the default rate in such loans will go UP. Other thing he said is EB makes its money on large volumes. Wondering how this would play out on the property market. “Fuel” a construction boom in that segment of the market to make sure maaaaany affordable houses are built, and then lend out to people on a 20k salary. Can only lead to irresponsible lending. Read somewhere that “mortgage” literally translated is something like “death lock”. Sure trigger to problems in that industry.
Read the thread on the “housing bubble” for lots of speculation about a burst.

With subprime, most of those financial institutions sold those worthless backed financial instruments to people who never understood the American mortgage market & they never had the backing of an experienced developer, an aggressive fundraiser, an experienced mortgage lender & a large branch network.
With Equity, they do have a base to start with, a good branch network, an experienced developer & funds to seal it up. The bargaining power that these guys will have will be huge. The only thing i do believe will happen is that they'll help to burst this real estate bubble
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Papa Investor
#99 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 4:15:23 PM
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Britak as an experienced developer is a bit of a misnomer since they have been concentrating on the west side of Uhuru highway and dont have too much experience doing massive large scale projects...
mlennyma
#100 Posted : Monday, March 07, 2011 4:57:17 PM
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