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Kenya Re - what gives?
VituVingiSana
#461 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 7:25:11 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Looks like it has defied both resistance and support smile & decided to come back and get wanjiku to board!!!!!

since the release of that insurance report by AKI this share applied some breaks

The stock was driving on empty. A thrilling feeling, but dangerous! :)
Do you mean coz it has been profitable since 2012?

Indeed, uchumi and eapc were 'profitable' too, until the same were restated.. Usione nyani amevaa tie udhani ni binadamu!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Uchumi and EAPCC are GoK (influenced) firms as is KenRe but as I have said many a time... I trust the MD but I watch it as closely as I can. I remain distrustful of GoK controlled/influenced firms. My CAUTIOUS EXCEPTION is KenRe.

2017 is approaching and the vault at KenRe is full to the brim, with no debt at all.. What happens next??

@Obiero - If the current MD is fired. Or leaves. Or there is a significant change I do not like... I am out of KenRe.
I screwed up with Olympia [I refused to see the signs of theft], KQ [I refused to believe the facts some Wazuans were sharing of declining performance], KK [when the company was going into overdrive expansion & debt], KPLC [when ERC/GoK reneged on the triennial tariff review], etc.

I hope I have learnt enough to say enough is enough & say bye to KenRe. There are some sweet replacements including Britam if the price falls even further. Or move more into another bank eg Equity or buy KCB at the 'right' price.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#462 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 7:56:47 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Looks like it has defied both resistance and support smile & decided to come back and get wanjiku to board!!!!!

since the release of that insurance report by AKI this share applied some breaks

The stock was driving on empty. A thrilling feeling, but dangerous! :)
Do you mean coz it has been profitable since 2012?

Indeed, uchumi and eapc were 'profitable' too, until the same were restated.. Usione nyani amevaa tie udhani ni binadamu!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Uchumi and EAPCC are GoK (influenced) firms as is KenRe but as I have said many a time... I trust the MD but I watch it as closely as I can. I remain distrustful of GoK controlled/influenced firms. My CAUTIOUS EXCEPTION is KenRe.

2017 is approaching and the vault at KenRe is full to the brim, with no debt at all.. What happens next??

@Obiero - If the current MD is fired. Or leaves. Or there is a significant change I do not like... I am out of KenRe.
I screwed up with Olympia [I refused to see the signs of theft], KQ [I refused to believe the facts some Wazuans were sharing of declining performance], KK [when the company was going into overdrive expansion & debt], KPLC [when ERC/GoK reneged on the triennial tariff review], etc.

I hope I have learnt enough to say enough is enough & say bye to KenRe. There are some sweet replacements including Britam if the price falls even further. Or move more into another bank eg Equity or buy KCB at the 'right' price.

Britam ndio baba ya wafisadi.. Afadhali urudi KQ which is now operationally sound

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#463 Posted : Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:28:15 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Looks like it has defied both resistance and support smile & decided to come back and get wanjiku to board!!!!!

since the release of that insurance report by AKI this share applied some breaks

The stock was driving on empty. A thrilling feeling, but dangerous! :)
Do you mean coz it has been profitable since 2012?

Indeed, uchumi and eapc were 'profitable' too, until the same were restated.. Usione nyani amevaa tie udhani ni binadamu!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Uchumi and EAPCC are GoK (influenced) firms as is KenRe but as I have said many a time... I trust the MD but I watch it as closely as I can. I remain distrustful of GoK controlled/influenced firms. My CAUTIOUS EXCEPTION is KenRe.

2017 is approaching and the vault at KenRe is full to the brim, with no debt at all.. What happens next??

@Obiero - If the current MD is fired. Or leaves. Or there is a significant change I do not like... I am out of KenRe.
I screwed up with Olympia [I refused to see the signs of theft], KQ [I refused to believe the facts some Wazuans were sharing of declining performance], KK [when the company was going into overdrive expansion & debt], KPLC [when ERC/GoK reneged on the triennial tariff review], etc.

I hope I have learnt enough to say enough is enough & say bye to KenRe. There are some sweet replacements including Britam if the price falls even further. Or move more into another bank eg Equity or buy KCB at the 'right' price.

Britam ndio baba ya wafisadi.. Afadhali urudi KQ which is now operationally sound

@Obiero - If I could divorce or remove the "Naikuni/Mbugua KQ" from "Mbuvi KQ" then I would look at KQ but that is not currently possible. The 32bn NEGATIVE Equity is a hole that is going to take years to fill. Even if KQ made PAT of 3bn/year I'd have to wait until 2027.

Britam - I am looking at the right [lower] price to enter as long as it meets my other criteria including QUALITY MANAGEMENT.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
murchr
#464 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 11:33:31 PM
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Goldilocks Reloaded
#465 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:30:09 PM
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This is a good MBUS to ride on. However capital gains on price are hard to come by so needs balls of steel.

Go for a business that any idiot can run – because sooner or later, any idiot is probably going to run it – Peter Lynch
VituVingiSana
#466 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:50:16 AM
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Good for KenRe as more maritime insurance gets placed locally
http://www.businessdaily...84/-/62apjq/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MadDoc
#467 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:41:54 AM
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Anyone with clues on the current drop in share price?
obiero
#468 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:01:47 AM
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Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
MadDoc wrote:
Anyone with clues on the current drop in share price?

The same reason it went up.. Nothing tangible!!

KQ ABP 4.26
MadDoc
#469 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 1:52:52 PM
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Posts: 151
obiero wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Anyone with clues on the current drop in share price?

The same reason it went up.. Nothing tangible!!


Laughing out loudly ii yako ni chuki
VituVingiSana
#470 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:21:47 PM
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Location: Nairobi
KenRe is not for those who want fast returns. It's a moneymaker that requires lots of patience. It will not double in 2 years but has a consistent profitability over the medium to long term. Eventually it will be taken over by a strategic investor. Patience is key. Meanwhile enjoy the dividend.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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