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CBK MPC Meet!!!
KulaRaha
#451 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 7:53:19 AM
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Reference rate = waste of time!

How can you have a rate that manages loans, yet doesn't managed deposits?

Another exercise in folly.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Mainat
#452 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:07:20 AM
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Disagree. This is a perfect opportunity for bankers to eat. You can price funding at zero cost if you want, correct?

quote=KulaRaha]Reference rate = waste of time!

How can you have a rate that manages loans, yet doesn't managed deposits?

Another exercise in folly.[/quote]
Sehemu ndio nyumba
holycow
#453 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:34:27 AM
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Ok, i'm not into banking. So does it mean Bank profits will drop, stagnate or rise?
Museveni
#454 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:12:48 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Othelo wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Museveni wrote:
hisah wrote:



How does the 9% come about? 91 Day T/Bill is at 11.4%

Exactly and if you add the two who are likely to be in the 20's or it is average of the two rates? Probably!

This 91 Day T/Bill rate wont stay up. And the lending rates too. CBK has spoken smile

---> The KBRR is computed as an average of the CBR and and the weighted 2-month moving average of 91 Day T/Bill rates

https://centralbank.go.ke/images...elease_-_July_8_2014.pdf

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Pesa Nane
#455 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:00:20 AM
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holycow wrote:
Ok, i'm not into banking. So does it mean Bank profits will drop, stagnate or rise?



Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
2012
#456 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:33:01 AM
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Do we have a banker in the house? Can someone make this Kenya Bank Reference Rate (KBRR) more idiot proof. Is it the rate my bank should base my loan on? At what point do I know that my bank has added too much on top and at what point should I sue my bank for overcharging me? What's the new expected base lending rate for banks as per this?

BBI will solve it
:)
kaifastus
#457 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:45:21 AM
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Exciting news indeed!
How long do banks have to re-price existing loans? or to price new loans? Hoping that the margins banks put above the CBRR don't exceed 4%.
Business animal spirits will roar!! Its a win-win situation at play here as the uptake of loans go up, loan books hopefully will swell and businesses shall thrive in a scale never seen before.
Mainat
#458 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:43:30 PM
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kaifastus wrote:
Exciting news indeed!
How long do banks have to re-price existing loans? or to price new loans? Hoping that the margins banks put above the CBRR don't exceed 4%.
Business animal spirits will roar!! Its a win-win situation at play here as the uptake of loans go up, loan books hopefully will swell and businesses shall thrive in a scale never seen before.

Its not retrospective.
As far as I can tell, if GoK borrows at 2% higher than this, I as a banker can charge large companies 2% more than GoK (i.e. 13%), I can then charge kamau 5% higher than this.
End game is that status quo remains
Sehemu ndio nyumba
whiteowl
#459 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:52:16 PM
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2012 wrote:
Do we have a banker in the house? Can someone make this Kenya Bank Reference Rate (KBRR) more idiot proof. Is it the rate my bank should base my loan on? At what point do I know that my bank has added too much on top and at what point should I sue my bank for overcharging me? What's the new expected base lending rate for banks as per this?

I'm also waiting for the answers.
kaifastus
#460 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:14:21 PM
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Mainat wrote:
kaifastus wrote:
Exciting news indeed!
How long do banks have to re-price existing loans? or to price new loans? Hoping that the margins banks put above the CBRR don't exceed 4%.
Business animal spirits will roar!! Its a win-win situation at play here as the uptake of loans go up, loan books hopefully will swell and businesses shall thrive in a scale never seen before.

Its not retrospective.
As far as I can tell, if GoK borrows at 2% higher than this, I as a banker can charge large companies 2% more than GoK (i.e. 13%), I can then charge kamau 5% higher than this.
End game is that status quo remains

But the CBRR has already been set at 9%! Unless macroeconomic Indicators change "drastically",this is the CBRR untill june next year,Maina. Banks will now make lending decisions with CBRR in focus. Banks cant fight the tide this time..the wind blowing against the interest rates is too much!! Noise everywhere, not different from the 2002 clamor for a new constitution. it would look pretty shameless for them to maintain status quo the way the KBA chairman is alluding to..
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