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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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young wrote:Thanks to you @Obiero. You made me to join this bus. After watching it rise rom 14 to 24, I finally joined in at 24.75.
No regrets at all. Thanks once again to @Obiero , thanks to you @Wazua. @young karibu tena. funny how africans behave. i buy at 14 and sell at 25, they mock me! HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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QW25091985 wrote:All stocks in a bull market thats just starting up are "diamond in the rough" lol. Yep that includes olympia and ak @QW was first to mock at KES 16.50.. This was about 2years ago!!! HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/20/2010 Posts: 79
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@obiero even if you dont play odd lots nd dont think its justified to trade at its current levels the market takes its course however irrational.much respect to your greens so far.wish yu well on Kq.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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@chief Obiero What was your motivation to sell HFCK at 24. negative news, dim growth prospects, bad results, better growth prospects in other stocks, just speculation ? Why That has passed but just for next time as it would have been a sweet ride for you from 14 to 44 in 2014. You that highlighted HFCK should be the best beneficiary not followers like us. It should be a lesson for next time. My kenyan friend that discovered safaricum entered at 5 and sold at 6.50. He is now an observer of safaricom, It should not be so. This is an indirect way of locals transferring wealth to foreigners on a platter of gold. Most retail foreigners I know take long positions in stocks and they benefit more. This includes my tiny self. The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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Kalameni wrote:@obiero even if you dont play odd lots nd dont think its justified to trade at its current levels the market takes its course however irrational.much respect to your greens so far.wish yu well on Kq. @kalameni.. Thanks boss. The market is indeed suprising and appears to respect no one. But in stocks, you have to know your personal investment objectives and target entry-exit prices as well as time horizons. We all know there are people who held onto KQ as it tanked from the 100's!!! Indeed I dint make as much profit as I wld have wanted on HF but I also did not make a loss, on contrary I made a whole lot of profit than the late comers who are trading on euphoria and mocking my decent gains :) I mine diamonds in the rough and right now im on KQ. THE END :) HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Kalameni wrote:@obiero even if you dont play odd lots nd dont think its justified to trade at its current levels the market takes its course however irrational.much respect to your greens so far.wish yu well on Kq. @kalameni.. Thanks boss. The market is indeed suprising and appears to respect no one. But in stocks, you have to know your personal investment objectives and target entry-exit prices as well as time horizons. We all know there are people who held onto KQ as it tanked from the 100's!!! Indeed I dint make as much profit as I wld have wanted on HF but I also did not make a loss, on contrary I made a whole lot of profit than the late comers who are trading on euphoria and mocking my decent gains :) I mine diamonds in the rough and right now im on KQ. THE END :) Good luck Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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@young i target a gain of 20% on any stock that I target to enter. HF was trading on a high PE in Q1 2012 implying the market expected above average growth in profits mainly as a result of its rights issue as well as subsequent bonds. Indeed, this happened and overshot my own calculations. With that sort of gain, sellin was only sensible and the resultant stagnation in price from May - Dec '13 seemed to confirm my move as being solid. However, information on the 2013 full year result as well as a possible corporate action seems to have sneaked out hence current rally.. I sold to buy KQ and have no regret, having got in at 9.80 and now trading at 13.50. Btw, to any offended 'hellos', my first nse purchase was 100 hfck shares in 2006 :) HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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No problem @chief Obiero my concern to you folks is out of good intention. I respect your strategy as your choice and if you are comfortable and happy , that is the most important thing. Wazua is a family, small world. Regards The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Housing Finance has begun the search for new directors to meet governance rules that may reduce the influence of Equity Bank in operations of the mortgage firm. Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has given lenders until June to ensure that at least a third of board seats are held by independent directors. The banking regulator defines an independent director as a board member who is not a direct or indirect representative of the principal shareholders, has not worked in the bank as an executive for the past five years and has not had any business relationships with the institution in the same period. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:Kalameni wrote:@obiero even if you dont play odd lots nd dont think its justified to trade at its current levels the market takes its course however irrational.much respect to your greens so far.wish yu well on Kq. @kalameni.. Thanks boss. The market is indeed suprising and appears to respect no one. But in stocks, you have to know your personal investment objectives and target entry-exit prices as well as time horizons. We all know there are people who held onto KQ as it tanked from the 100's!!! Indeed I dint make as much profit as I wld have wanted on HF but I also did not make a loss, on contrary I made a whole lot of profit than the late comers who are trading on euphoria and mocking my decent gains :) I mine diamonds in the rough and right now im on KQ. THE END :) Housing Finance is still cheap. I said that i will alight at 40 and some poeple thought i was crazy. 40 is not so far now... Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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obiero wrote:the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) you couldn't resist couldn't you? The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,112 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Kalameni wrote:@obiero even if you dont play odd lots nd dont think its justified to trade at its current levels the market takes its course however irrational.much respect to your greens so far.wish yu well on Kq. @kalameni.. Thanks boss. The market is indeed suprising and appears to respect no one. But in stocks, you have to know your personal investment objectives and target entry-exit prices as well as time horizons. We all know there are people who held onto KQ as it tanked from the 100's!!! Indeed I dint make as much profit as I wld have wanted on HF but I also did not make a loss, on contrary I made a whole lot of profit than the late comers who are trading on euphoria and mocking my decent gains :) I mine diamonds in the rough and right now im on KQ. THE END :) Housing Finance is still cheap. I said that i will alight at 40 and some poeple thought i was crazy. 40 is not so far now... Well, at 31 then you should be buying like there's no tomorrow! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,521 Location: nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:obiero wrote:the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) you couldn't resist couldn't you? too tempting. the tide has done its thing na sasa kuna watu wameachwa uchi.. fair value is twenty seven for hfck HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,112 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:obiero wrote:the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) you couldn't resist couldn't you? too tempting. the tide has done its thing na sasa kuna watu wameachwa uchi.. fair value is twenty seven for hfck Fall, fall, fall ;-) ... I love it at 27 Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:obiero wrote:the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) you couldn't resist couldn't you? too tempting. the tide has done its thing na sasa kuna watu wameachwa uchi.. fair value is twenty seven for hfck Fall, fall, fall ;-) ... I love it at 27 fair value is 45.00 for this year, because our eps will be 4.00+. giving a pe of 11-13 and p/b 2. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,112 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Aguytrying wrote:obiero wrote:the diamond now almost trading at realistic price :) you couldn't resist couldn't you? too tempting. the tide has done its thing na sasa kuna watu wameachwa uchi.. fair value is twenty seven for hfck Fall, fall, fall ;-) ... I love it at 27 fair value is 45.00 for this year, because our eps will be 4.00+. giving a pe of 11-13 and p/b 2. Fair Value is what someone will pay you for it. For KE banks, I think the new 'normal' is a PER of 8-10 depending on growth prospects. That equates to 32-40 if the (sustainable) EPS is 4/- Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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i suppose we expect their results by 20th Feb
I need to decide if to sell by them or hold on
i thought we would he heading to sh 40 but seems we are going back to 30s
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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heri wrote: i suppose we expect their results by 20th Feb
I need to decide if to sell by them or hold on
i thought we would he heading to sh 40 but seems we are going back to 30s
LOL! Patience Man! But 40 is over ambitious! I know where and when to disembark “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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