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Briatm, Britam, Britam sounds like sweet candy!
mkate_nusu
#801 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:50:13 PM
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Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Another EA Cables/Merali scenario coming up.

i nowadays don't take wazuans seriously, people will get rich as we remain pessimistic, negativity is a fatal human psychological thing


Most wazuans are haters!

Everything is either a scandal or pyramid scheme

kelele ya chura britam heads up ex div and past 14



Mnyambo wa punda. Punda amechoka jameni!


Now getting serious to business, this is a botched rally. It is going nowhere. Mating session was declared over. Wait a rally for another rumours cycle. No news enough to lift the excitement.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh!
KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
murchr
#802 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:35:58 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Another EA Cables/Merali scenario coming up.

i nowadays don't take wazuans seriously, people will get rich as we remain pessimistic, negativity is a fatal human psychological thing


In my short life in wazua, I have learnt to take Mainat seriously. If you are here...be cautious and play with the sharks as they pump and dump.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alotoftalk
#803 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:10:29 AM
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murchr wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Another EA Cables/Merali scenario coming up.

i nowadays don't take wazuans seriously, people will get rich as we remain pessimistic, negativity is a fatal human psychological thing


In my short life in wazua, I have learnt to take Mainat seriously. If you are here...be cautious and play with the sharks as they pump and dump.


Front running has created quite a number of billionaires in Kenya.
Investment philosophy development in progress...
Mainat
#804 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:05:01 AM
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My friends, money has no morals. Remember that as you as nyamba hapa na pale...

Merali is a very good case study for front-running.
These days even brokers ma shamba do it...
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Ebenyo
#805 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:45:37 AM
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Munga should buy britam 100%.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
maka
#806 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:55:28 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


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possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#807 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:20:11 AM
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maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


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why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
mlennyma
#808 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:30:14 AM
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obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


14

why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

big blocks are negotiated somewhere doesn't matter what the market price is
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Spikes
#809 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:00:30 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


14

why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

big blocks are negotiated somewhere doesn't matter what the market price is



I think the price was below market price. I agree with @vvs because if it was 19/- immediate disclosure could have been made to the public to trigger a rally. WHY keep quiet on the price leaving everybody guessing? WHY monkey business in a listed company?

Mungas fear that if the discounted price he took home the stake with is known a disastrous nosedive is possible exfoliating all the anticipated gains from the strategic investor. The fear of NSE's sentimental Wanjiku could trigger a bloodbath to coincide with @hisah's lunatic theory.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Fyatu
#810 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:56:47 AM
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I still insist that this monkey will come down to sub 10
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
researchfirst
#811 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:22:02 AM
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@spikes. Following up on your post to the Centum thread regarding Britam.

You wrote:
“Britam Malawi(Real insurance) I think was closed following persistent losses. It was Real insurance which Britam (K) acquired 2014 that invigorated the share price to 40/-, the highest in this insurer's history. Britam abroad like in Kenya is facing unprecedented challenges from old folks, unable to steer change, at the helm . A paltry dividend announced recently of mere kes 0.30 was to blindfold the investors and speculators alike when financial statements were slapped and bled with staggering loss of more than 50% under. Now comes a purchase of 23% stake of the Mauritian fugitive Dawood Rawat who has till today filed a suit in the international court seeking compensation up to $1 billion from his government for illegal seizure of his assets following claims of running Ponzi pyramid scheme. It is not clear how the sword of justice will rip off the activities of the parties involved in this stake most likely sending panic ripples across the owners of the troubled establishment. The only room left for accommodation in this counter is speculation. Lets sit and watch how events keep unfolding.”

My response:
(1.) Britam Malawi was not shut down, nor was it showing persistent losses. Check the Real Insurance annual reports prior to acquisition and the Britam reports since. Revenue and profit are both growing quite well. It was delisted from the Malawi Stock Exchange after becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary (65% was acquired in Real deal, 35% subsequently from owners of Real Insurance Malawi shares) and rebranded under Britam, but operations certainly continue. (2.) As for your comments regarding Britam abroad, the regional units contribution in FY15 was Shs 4 billion, an increase of 152.7% from FY14’s Shs 1.6 billion. (3.) Dividend was held steady. This was appropriate and the "huge losses" were paper losses on investment holdings due to accounting rules. Core numbers looked great. (4.) Rawat’s lawsuit is directed at the Mauritian government in any case, it bears no risk for Britam. I gather he has no chance of prevailing, but even if he were to do so, damages would be awarded from Mauritius government, not Britam. Finally, Munga's decision to acquire Rawat's former stake is a huge vote of confidence in the company, a sentiment I share.
Realtreaty
#812 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:55:44 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


14

why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

big blocks are negotiated somewhere doesn't matter what the market price is

Sad Sad
The initial drop from 29 to 26 came when news of bramer and Britam first arose of having similar directorship(Rawat). Then when more news filtered it went to 24-22 when news came of Mauritian govt taking over the Rawat investment and looking for buyer. From here it slipped down the cliff triggered by the clever Kenyan Moguls who thought it wise to punish the foreign govt to make them sell cheap and the case Rawat taken to French court.This surprised the Mauritians who were scouting for a buyer which was hard to get(No one wanted to be burnt and involved in court battles) At last Kenyans director became the Alpha dogs and humiliated the foreign govt. They had to dance to their tunes(reads price and conditions)noting that Rawat Directorship powers was muted internally(backdoor game) Now whatever they bought at is their business as is closed door Gentlemen agreement(a bitch and alpha dogs when no more heat). There may be no law that will force them to disclose given that the selling price was placed when the stock was 22-24. It is very likely to say the Bear came and chased the tired bitch triggering further price drop. The Bear has retreated to Hawaii and is business as USUAL now. Back to 22-29 when the Tower open as banks are willing to fund them (Cooperative Bank)
Spikes
#813 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:06:23 PM
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Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Another EA Cables/Merali scenario coming up.

i nowadays don't take wazuans seriously, people will get rich as we remain pessimistic, negativity is a fatal human psychological thing


Most wazuans are haters!

Everything is either a scandal or pyramid scheme

kelele ya chura britam heads up ex div and past 14



Mnyambo wa punda. Punda amechoka jameni!


Now getting serious to business, this is a botched rally. It is going nowhere. Mating session was declared over. Wait a rally for another rumours cycle. No news enough to lift the excitement.



Upward leg is lost completely!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#814 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:51:41 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
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Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
Spikes wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Swenani wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Another EA Cables/Merali scenario coming up.

i nowadays don't take wazuans seriously, people will get rich as we remain pessimistic, negativity is a fatal human psychological thing


Most wazuans are haters!

Everything is either a scandal or pyramid scheme

kelele ya chura britam heads up ex div and past 14



Mnyambo wa punda. Punda amechoka jameni!


Now getting serious to business, this is a botched rally. It is going nowhere. Mating session was declared over. Wait a rally for another rumours cycle. No news enough to lift the excitement.



Upward leg is lost completely!

hii ni nyani ile mbaya ya kuzima stima

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#815 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:56:24 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


14

why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

big blocks are negotiated somewhere doesn't matter what the market price is

where is this somewhere.. meeting room at CDSC ama hawa hawana CDS accounts. the claim you make is a serious one

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
TheGeek
#816 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:05:17 PM
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obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Assume Munga is having 9,000,000,000 Kes to buy what is 23.3% (452504000)shares from Mauritian Govt at the time of sale floating. My Maths teacher would basically write on the blackboard the answer as 19.90kes per Share if the deal was direct. To us we can now believe if tax and commissions were paid then per share it would range from 17-19.90 with 18 being the most appropriate. God bless Munga

Where did the amount of 9bn come from? An assumption. I think Munga got this for KES 10-12 from the Mauritians who just wanted out.


14

why buy at 19 while the same trades at 13.55.. makes no sense sir

big blocks are negotiated somewhere doesn't matter what the market price is

where is this somewhere.. meeting room at CDSC ama hawa hawana CDS accounts. the claim you make is a serious one


Reliable reports indicate this was financed by EQT, The deal is done and funds are on the way to Mauritius.
serious money will be made here.
In the world of securities, courage and patience become the supreme virtues after adequate knowledge and a tested judgment are at hand.
Ericsson
#817 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 12:01:18 AM
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@TheGeek
Of course equity bank was the financier of the buyout.
Welcome to the world of crookedness and impunity where euity bank is to be used to finance deals which you can't imagine
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Realtreaty
#818 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 1:56:21 AM
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Britam like Centum has alot of property under construction and others earning chums. They still can boast of land in Kajiado Ngong and they might as well book land belonging to Barclays if it goes under hammer- large chunk as Barclays make final decision what to sell. By 2019 they will be earning from more property.
Ericsson
#819 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 6:09:10 AM
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@Realtreaty
Which is this land belonging to Barclays that they might book if it goes under hammer
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Realtreaty
#820 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 8:32:20 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Realtreaty
Which is this land belonging to Barclays that they might book if it goes under hammer


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