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Madness at the NSE
Metasploit
#781 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 11:37:39 AM
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Metasploit wrote:
murchr wrote:
sparkly wrote:
murchr wrote:
Quick question, Do you think that CGT will slow down selling hence making the price of some entities to go up?


Prices are determined by demand and supply. If CGT kills supply, prices go up. If it kills demand, prices collapse.

We might have the latter, IMO.


I tend to think people will hold. Liquidity will be costly


seems this is happening!very few sellers and a few buyers in the market.

If sellers continue holding this position,then it will be interesting (buyers will certainly increase)


Its getting interesting!!

Watch how Uchumi,Mumias etc etc have gained

Equity finally breaking the Ksh 52 resistance,same with KCB etc etc

smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile


“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
MaichBlack
#782 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 12:31:13 PM
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Kihara joni wrote:
Kengen is currently at buy price if price recovers to 14.60/- then that will be a 66% gain but depends on time it will take to recover 1-2 years, months or weeks?

What about the Mega rights issue???

In my opinion, one would be wise to wait and load up during the rights issue.

Some schools of thought actually suggest AFTER the rights issue. But that will depend on the failure or success of the rights issue.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ericsson
#783 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 12:53:52 PM
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Rights issue will be held probably after the budget for 2015/2016
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Ericsson
#784 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 12:54:58 PM
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If and when Rotich will allocate money to defend gava's stake
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MaichBlack
#785 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 1:13:47 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
If and when Rotich will allocate money to defend gava's stake

I thought they had indicated it will probably be in the first quarter of this year. But whenever it is, the price will remain depressed till then. That rights issue is TOO HUGE for Mr. Market to ignore.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
mlennyma
#786 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 2:41:12 PM
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We are closing the week heads up,with market showing good signs. DAILY NATION
1 hour ago ·
‪#‎WorldBank‬ sees brighter Africa in 2015 http://bit.ly/
1IG0iBp

Economic growth in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania is set to be considerably higher than most developing countries in Africa in 2015 and next year, a new report says.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
murchr
#787 Posted : Friday, January 16, 2015 7:38:36 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
Kengen is currently at buy price if price recovers to 14.60/- then that will be a 66% gain but depends on time it will take to recover 1-2 years, months or weeks?

What about the Mega rights issue???

In my opinion, one would be wise to wait and load up during the rights issue.

Some schools of thought actually suggest AFTER the rights issue. But that will depend on the failure or success of the rights issue.


The AGM was held in Dec, what was passed?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hisah
#788 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:56:12 PM
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Stockbrokers now hire top law firm to file case over tax

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Stockbrokers have hired a top law firm to file a court petition challenging the new capital gains tax in the face of a two-week stalemate with the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) over the implementation of the levy.

The Business Daily understands that the market intermediaries have now engaged the law firm of HHM Oraro Advocates to seek the court’s ruling on clauses that they feel make deducting capital gains tax from investors impractical.

At the heart of the matter is an apparent conflict in law that in one section requires stockbrokers to deduct capital gains tax at the rate of 7.5 per cent, and says the dealers should retain five per cent of investor’s net gains from share sales in another.

The other major sticking point is the actual calculation of the net capital gain from share sales to be submitted to the taxman, with the brokers claiming they lack the capacity to ascertain the payable amount.

The stock dealers have suggested that investors be obligated to submit their capital gains to the KRA as part of their annual income tax, but the revenue agency wants the intermediaries to bear the responsibility of deducting and submitting the levy.

The CBK has been tasked with deducting the capital gains tax from investors who sell Treasury bills and bonds in the secondary market.

Tax experts have come out to support some of the issues raised by the stockbrokers. Auditors PKF point out that Parliament’s deletion of some sections in the Finance Act weakened the government’s position in implementing the tax.

They have also pointed out that foreign investors, who are also liable to pay the tax, do not have PIN numbers.

Kasib has also argued that no other country that charges capital gains tax on shares had designated stockbrokers as collecting agents.


Thus my signature that CGT is DoA. The 2011 ECF from IMF had two unpopular items as conditions for the loan; VAT global revision and CGT.

Markets are allergic to uncertain grounds/policies. One wrong move and the market will be spooked presenting the other side of madness...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mlennyma
#789 Posted : Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:33:43 PM
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Its only that I can't get a group to demonstrate outside treasury about this tax I would have done it.
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whiteowl
#790 Posted : Monday, January 19, 2015 10:42:48 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Its only that I can't get a group to demonstrate outside treasury about this tax I would have done it.

get in touch with some "activists"
Sober
#791 Posted : Monday, February 09, 2015 9:17:22 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Its only that I can't get a group to demonstrate outside treasury about this tax I would have done it.

get in touch with some "activists"

The fact that nothing was done when the VAT Bill was passed yet it affects most Kenyans shows you that taking to the street because of the CGT that affects a few of us is a tall order.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
mlennyma
#792 Posted : Monday, February 09, 2015 9:25:21 AM
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Sober wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Its only that I can't get a group to demonstrate outside treasury about this tax I would have done it.

get in touch with some "activists"

The fact that nothing was done when the VAT Bill was passed yet it affects most Kenyans shows you that taking to the street because of the CGT that affects a few of us is a tall order.

somebody said it could be a good thing to curb careless sellers,but the brockers are the main casualties
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Gatheuzi
#793 Posted : Monday, February 09, 2015 3:45:06 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Sober wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Its only that I can't get a group to demonstrate outside treasury about this tax I would have done it.

get in touch with some "activists"

The fact that nothing was done when the VAT Bill was passed yet it affects most Kenyans shows you that taking to the street because of the CGT that affects a few of us is a tall order.

somebody said it could be a good thing to curb careless sellers,but the brockers are the main casualties

It is their money, if they want to sell and get burned, who cares.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
murchr
#794 Posted : Monday, February 16, 2015 4:27:39 AM
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Who else noted the vol numbers on Safcom Friday?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mlennyma
#795 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:41:19 AM
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Slow market, dosing nse,marginal gains, low volumes
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Ericsson
#796 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:00:18 PM
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@mlennyama;
The volumes on KCB is quite big.5.83mn shares already traded
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mlennyma
#797 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:07:31 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@mlennyama;
The volumes on KCB is quite big.5.83mn shares already traded

that volume has traded within very few minutes,I should not abuse the day before dusk may be the dip pockets come without notice
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Ericsson
#798 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:16:47 PM
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Volume now at 7.03mn and kengen making share price rising.
Ama ya kengen ni dalili ya mvua
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mulla
#799 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:19:26 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@mlennyama;
The volumes on KCB is quite big.5.83mn shares already traded


KCB has been stagnating around 58/59 for a long while now meanwhile Equity has slowly been inching up, not to mention CFC, NIC. For a speculator KCB is a good bet not to mention its amongst the darlings of the foreign investors.
mlennyma
#800 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:36:41 PM
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mulla wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@mlennyama;
The volumes on KCB is quite big.5.83mn shares already traded


KCB has been stagnating around 58/59 for a long while now meanwhile Equity has slowly been inching up, not to mention CFC, NIC. For a speculator KCB is a good bet not to mention its amongst the darlings of the foreign investors.

True,can you imagine equity has a highier all time high than kcb??equity-63 kcb -62..... I think kcb must overturn the tables this reporting season.
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