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Wamunyota wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa!  Kumbe pia wewe Tycho ni mgenge? No wonder huwa anatu 'gengeee' kila wakati.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa! where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa! where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million? Tribe just like ethnic is a nation but a community/people do not make a tribe, Luhya is not a nation just like Kalenjin but Kikuyu, Bukusu are nations.Kenya is not a nation but a community/group of people.For a nation to exist people have to share cultures, origins,myths and unity which are all lacking in Kenya but can be found in Kikuyu,Bukusu, Teso,Maragoli, kamba, meru,Borana etc If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Really??.. ...Who taught you that? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Coolio wrote:harrydre wrote:Come back home Professor!How come all those Years Ngugi has been mayuu he has never developed an accent, yet @ kiash 1 year later he couldn't understand kiswahili?  even his last born daughter born and bred in the US spoke fluent kiuk on the trend! Remember some year back i heard Ngugi used to send his children to a school in Thika to learn Kiuk . Thats why they are fluent.
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Why did they attack Ngugi and wife the first time he came back,and of all the place's at Norfolk? Africa belongs to Africans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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kiash wrote:Coolio wrote:harrydre wrote:Come back home Professor!How come all those Years Ngugi has been mayuu he has never developed an accent, yet @ kiash 1 year later he couldn't understand kiswahili? even his last born daughter born and bred in the US spoke fluent kiuk on the trend! Remember some year back i heard Ngugi used to send his children to a school in Thika to learn Kiuk . Thats why they are fluent. kwani are there are schools in thika that teach kikuyu, the guy and his wife are fluent in kikuyu - they can easily teach their kids the same.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa! where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million? Tribe just like ethnic is a nation but a community/people do not make a tribe, Luhya is not a nation just like Kalenjin but Kikuyu, Bukusu are nations.Kenya is not a nation but a community/group of people.For a nation to exist people have to share cultures, origins,myths and unity which are all lacking in Kenya but can be found in Kikuyu,Bukusu, Teso,Maragoli, kamba, meru,Borana etc agreed, Kalenjin and Luhyas are much recent groupings by the mzungu. My beef is the use of the terms "Tribe".... perhaps the best definition of what "Tribe" is " those which have followed ways of life for many generations that are largely self-sufficient, and are clearly different from the mainstream and dominant society.". For sometime the El Molo were a 'Tribe' but they are no longer that - they are now embracing ways of life similar to "the mainstream and dominant society". As soon as you wear clothes like everyone else, speak kiswahili like everyone else i.e. mainstream ways of life you end your tribal stature. You may be Ethnically Kikuyu but there is no such thing as the Kikuyu tribe now, or the Luo tribe. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa! where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million? Tribe just like ethnic is a nation but a community/people do not make a tribe, Luhya is not a nation just like Kalenjin but Kikuyu, Bukusu are nations.Kenya is not a nation but a community/group of people.For a nation to exist people have to share cultures, origins,myths and unity which are all lacking in Kenya but can be found in Kikuyu,Bukusu, Teso,Maragoli, kamba, meru,Borana etc agreed, Kalenjin and Luhyas are much recent groupings by the mzungu. My beef is the use of the terms "Tribe".... perhaps the best definition of what "Tribe" is " those which have followed ways of life for many generations that are largely self-sufficient, and are clearly different from the mainstream and dominant society.". For sometime the El Molo were a 'Tribe' but they are no longer that - they are now embracing ways of life similar to "the mainstream and dominant society". As soon as you wear clothes like everyone else, speak kiswahili like everyone else i.e. mainstream ways of life you end your tribal stature. You may be Ethnically Kikuyu but there is no such thing as the Kikuyu tribe now, or the Luo tribe. Nimekupata sasa, Going by your defination,Tribe is a primitive group of people...So if I say @Makales belongs to kikuyu/gikuyu tribe I'll be implying that you are a primitive hunter and gatherer around mt Kenya forest! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:He had some interesting viewpoints... he validates my worldview of the 'tribe' thing we keep on labling ourselves. Why not say 'the Luo People', 'The Luhya Nation', 'The Kikuyu Community' or even at least 'The Kamba ethnic group'? or just call them 'The Luo...'? Why do we have the notion of 'Tribe'? tribe is a bunch of people in a forest somewhere under some chief who has some skulls around his neck. Hapaa, tunacheza na maneno Ngeli ni ya gongaaa! where does tribe end and "people/community/nation/ethnic group" begin? are the Kurds a tribe? what makes the swedish a group of people with 9 million people more a 'nation' than the zulus who are 11 million? Tribe just like ethnic is a nation but a community/people do not make a tribe, Luhya is not a nation just like Kalenjin but Kikuyu, Bukusu are nations.Kenya is not a nation but a community/group of people.For a nation to exist people have to share cultures, origins,myths and unity which are all lacking in Kenya but can be found in Kikuyu,Bukusu, Teso,Maragoli, kamba, meru,Borana etc agreed, Kalenjin and Luhyas are much recent groupings by the mzungu. My beef is the use of the terms "Tribe".... perhaps the best definition of what "Tribe" is " those which have followed ways of life for many generations that are largely self-sufficient, and are clearly different from the mainstream and dominant society.". For sometime the El Molo were a 'Tribe' but they are no longer that - they are now embracing ways of life similar to "the mainstream and dominant society". As soon as you wear clothes like everyone else, speak kiswahili like everyone else i.e. mainstream ways of life you end your tribal stature. You may be Ethnically Kikuyu but there is no such thing as the Kikuyu tribe now, or the Luo tribe. Nimekupata sasa, Going by your defination,Tribe is a primitive group of people...So if I say @Makales belongs to kikuyu/gikuyu tribe I'll be implying that you are a primitive hunter and gatherer around mt Kenya forest! exactment!! and it's even worse when you do the same to yourself! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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