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first body
#31 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:55:36 AM
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@ric dees, To answer your question i would want to meet bill gates. He would be more interesting n world issues and not on newtonian or einsten issues. 2 I would probably understand him better. (That is irrelevant though because they are both from wealthy backgrounds)

I am from a poor background but thankfully i dont have a sob story to tell because all my siblings are doing well and most without a university education. Let me bring to your attention the rhodes scholarship. Rhodes scholars are chosen for their all roundedness and intelligence. Not because they are poor.
Extrapolating gathinga's logic. Educate a rich bill clinton who later creates clinton foundation ignoring his impact as president which helps hundreds of thousands to millions get out of poverty.
I am not advocating that poverty shouldn't be included but when deciding who to give a scholarship to merit, which is demonstrated by intelligence and well roundedness, i more important.
@Gathinga to extrapolate on your statement sponsor 1 rich person help a community.
gathinga
#32 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:28:00 AM
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Ric dees wrote:

@Gathinga
Now none of us imagined of a coalition and now they are bickering over petty issues, like who gets which house.
Case in point there is a mansion in Kent usually reserved for the Foreign Secretary and Nick Clegg is claiming the right to have his retreats there..so they are working a house sharing agreement with George Osborne ..interesting

Matters Economics, the Euro is in trouble and infact M/s Merkel has banned short trading in Germany, but the UK has says short sellers are welcome here...The two leaders have very different views on Europe Nick Clegg is very pro - Brussels while Cameron is not...lets see how this plays out.

The key issues that divide them are:

Capital Gains Tax - Tories fear their supporters will loose out if they embrace the Lib-dems policy of raising the rate from 18% to a level inline with income tax of 40 - 50%. This will hit second homes and Share sales.

Human Rights Act - Conservatives want to scrap the act, Lib-dems said "Do so at your own peril"

Foxhunting - blah blah blah

Taxburden - Lib dems want to cut inheritance tax and also question tax breaks for couples.

Banks - This is the BIGGEST of them all.They want to split banks to SEPARATE HIGH STREET BANKING and RISKY INVESTMENT FUNCTIONS.

This is very much like the US model..wonder how it will work??

All of a sudden immigration has taken a back seat..hence smiling kidogo.
Not sure you know this, they have lowered the minimum work permit qualifications to undergrad as opposed to Masters.However only guys form the wider EEA are getting workpermits.


Who would have imagined a conlib coalition. Good for you though on the immigration front Liar Liar ..no wonder you were looking for a kenyan Nanny to boot.

Are the conservatives in agreement with liberals that banks need to be broken down. I think its a position popular with the masses everywhere given the reaction to Golman Sachs

Do lib dems want to cut inheritance tax really, i thought tax cutting was the realm of the conservatives whose supporters are more wealthy and most likely affected with these taxes
bkismat
#33 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:06:05 AM
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@ first body to you they are sob stories, for me its real coz i experienced it.its like a white guy in America trying to tell a black guy that he understands what its like to be black but has never been in a black skin.

[quote=. Educate a rich bill clinton who later creates clinton foundation ignoring his impact as president which helps hundreds of thousands to millions get out of poverty.
[/quote]

Please read Bill Clinton's story and choose someone else as a poster boy for rich kids. I guess they are many.Quickest guide may be got from Wikipedia.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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kyt
#34 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:59:33 AM
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from the storyline we needed scholarships bcoz ur parents were poor planners_let us not subject our kids to the same crap.
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
Ric dees
#35 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:08:17 AM
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@Mukiha..I'd like your input on this, though on a slightly different topic.

Why do you think Kenya is unable to tap the huge qualified, Kenyan human resource in the West?

Me and some professors from KeMU are coming up with some seminars in US and UK to address this issue and enlighten East Africans on the huge opportunities back in the region, and would be interested in your views and indeed the wider Wazua forum.

Do you think it's Investment based?
A disconnect of sorts??
Political etc.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated!

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
mukiha
#36 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2010 3:11:34 PM
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chepkel wrote:
... Educate a poor child and you educate many more educate a rich kid and you get 0. (nevertheless, not in all cases)

I had never thought about it this way. From that angle it makes sense to give prefernce to kids from poor families

Ric dees wrote:

....rich kids do not bring much to the table.

This, however, is not convincing. If rich kids don't bring much to the table, then poor ones bring even less!!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#37 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2010 3:31:12 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

@Mukiha..I'd like your input on this, though on a slightly different topic.

Why do you think Kenya is unable to tap the huge qualified, Kenyan human resource in the West?...
...
...
Do you think it's Investment based?
A disconnect of sorts??
Political etc.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated!


I think it has to do with economics: Kenyans (professionals and others) living abroad can get much more return from their daily activities than they would from the same work here.

On the other hand, when they send their savings back home, the returns on investment are much greater than what they can get in the developed economies. No wonder there is greater human flight out of the country and huge capital inflow from the diaspora.

If you want to Kenyans to come back and use their skills in building the nation, then two conditions must be met:

1. Work that challenges their skills must be made available. A former colleague went to the US to do a PhD in electronics. His research was on integrated circuit packaging. He got a job with an IC manufacturer on compeletion of studies. It's not a "high-flying" job in terms of pay (even though he earns much more than his previous job in Kenya), but the work is challenging and full-filling. He never feels that the 4 yrs of the PhD were "wasted".

2. The earning potential must be good enough to provide similar level of living as they had in the developed world.

These two are closely related.

Here is a personal experience that might shed some light:

I went for university studies (under- & post-graduate) in UK in the mid-1980s. Came back in 1990. Then I stayed jobless for a good six months. Eventually I did get employment in an area that I really felt challenged. The pay wasn't the greatest [many former school-mates with first degrees from local universities were earning several times my pay!!], but full-filled by the fact that I was making a positive contribution to the lives of very many people - to date, I think my work over the 12 years that I stayed in that job has touched several hundred thousand lives.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Wendz
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:12:07 PM
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mukiha wrote:

This, however, is not convincing. If rich kids don't bring much to the table, then poor ones bring even less!!


@Mukiha

I dont think i agree with you on this one. If for example you take two children. One from a poor background who got an A - few resources in terms of books, less access to teachers, long distance walks, hard labour at home vs a child from a rich family who got an A having gone to private schools with all the resources available and probably the most he ever did was wake up and study, i think these two children are worlds ahead.

That does not mean that a child from a rich family (I am actually working hard to be rich and am still hoping my son will get a scholarship) should be denied a scholarship just because he comes from a rich family. And it also does not mean that we cant get exceptionally talented/bright children from rich families, no we can. However, they are overshadowed by those who are pampered to attain the same level of academics and who would have really been challenged should they have been subjected to the poor child's situation.

But nevertheless, all things equal, i would grant the child from a poor family the scholarship because he has no other alternative unlike the other child who could still very well afford it.

On your post on brain drain, thats pretty enlightening.
gathinga
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:47:43 PM
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mukiha wrote:
Ric dees wrote:

@Mukiha..I'd like your input on this, though on a slightly different topic.

Why do you think Kenya is unable to tap the huge qualified, Kenyan human resource in the West?...
...
...
Do you think it's Investment based?
A disconnect of sorts??
Political etc.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated!


I think it has to do with economics: Kenyans (professionals and others) living abroad can get much more return from their daily activities than they would from the same work here.

On the other hand, when they send their savings back home, the returns on investment are much greater than what they can get in the developed economies. No wonder there is greater human flight out of the country and huge capital inflow from the diaspora.

If you want to Kenyans to come back and use their skills in building the nation, then two conditions must be met:

1. Work that challenges their skills must be made available. A former colleague went to the US to do a PhD in electronics. His research was on integrated circuit packaging. He got a job with an IC manufacturer on compeletion of studies. It's not a "high-flying" job in terms of pay (even though he earns much more than his previous job in Kenya), but the work is challenging and full-filling. He never feels that the 4 yrs of the PhD were "wasted".

2. The earning potential must be good enough to provide similar level of living as they had in the developed world.

These two are closely related.

Here is a personal experience that might shed some light:

I went for university studies (under- & post-graduate) in UK in the mid-1980s. Came back in 1990. Then I stayed jobless for a good six months. Eventually I did get employment in an area that I really felt challenged. The pay wasn't the greatest [many former school-mates with first degrees from local universities were earning several times my pay!!], but full-filled by the fact that I was making a positive contribution to the lives of very many people - to date, I think my work over the 12 years that I stayed in that job has touched several hundred thousand lives.


Interesting issue on brain drain. Professor Calestous Juma from Harvard University shed some light on this during one of his lectures at the mindspeak club.

The good thing about his take on the issue was it came from him as part of his lecture and was not an answer to some question. So its likely to be from the heart.

Apparently, the biggest reason why brainy and 'thomed' chaps refuse to come home has nothing to do with money, pay, its all bout respect.

He gave an example of himself. He is doing stuff with KCA University and Multimedia University in Kisumu. Since they are involving him at a fairly high level, he feels they respect him, even though they dont pay, and therefore is more committed. He therefore splits his time between KCA and the paying harvard job.

Another example he gave was Ngugi Wathiongo. The guy came home as promised after Kanu was removed from power. He intended to start projects in literature and thespian education. The humiliation he underwent put paid to those dreams. He was more humiliated by the rape of his wife than by being detained by Moi...

I think respect is an issue.
Ric dees
#40 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:07:01 PM
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I tend to agree with both Mukiha and Gathinga on their explanations regarding Human capital flight but if i may add a twist, for all those in the west we all agree you need to take a salary cut and worst of all a demotion of sorts, what is interesting is that most of us agree on this and are ready to take on this challenge.

The biggest issue i found is that, as both of you expressed is challenge does not exist and to put things to context let me site to examples.

I know one senior VP in Cisco US and obviously we cannot imagine she would find a similar challenge in Kenya, but recently when we were in Kenya she had presented a very workable project to the stakeholders which she was to oversee, but they all tended to shy away without any concrete reasons...

Secondly..i know a doctorate friend of mine who was headhunted from here to establish a creative writing center, the first of it's kind in the region in one of the private universities back home, quit their job came home, now they are pulling out of that project..(bollocks).

Lastly i met someone who hat put together a proposal, together with a consortium of investors from Europe to come and transform Webuye paper mill into a bio - facility, a project this consortium had embarked on across the world with outstanding results..well you all know our gova!!!

My observation is, it's true the challenge may not exist but when the challenge is brought in then the institutions tend to back down!! Are we scared of re-inventing the wheel or is it selfish motives??? Your thoughts please??




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