Kenyans have a choice to make

1.to either follow some prophets and stay as they are broke, penniless and always shouting haki yetu or

2. to have the destiny of their lives in their hands

This constitution journey did not start 20 years ago because women were aborting or because muslims had a Kadhis court.

It started because if your name was not Kenyatta, or Moi, your children had no chance in hell to leave peacefully and earn from their sweat. People died in this country being thrown out of Nyayo house by some old man who says the draft is bad.

Nothing has changed in this country going by the posts on this forum and my beloved sk.

Police are still broke and take hongo. Land is still being grabbed even by the mayor. Women are still being raped by their husbands in the name of tradition. I will pray for you if you get into the court system in Kenya. Kenyans are still complaining 24 hours a day about how bad their lives are.

All this under the current constitution.

This draft is 205 pages long. Hundreds of clauses in it. The pseudo christians have picked on 2 minor clauses that the proposed supreme court as well as the parliament can deal with to decide that I stay with this maaaad constitution.

If Kenya's problem is abortion then by all means, vote against it. If muslims going to their own family court is evil, then vote against it. But spare us your holier than though attitudes and your threats. If we could deal with Moi's regime, you are upus.

Look at the people shouting the most. Some priest who may or may not abused kids. A reverend who supported a maize thief. A Dr, hon, pastor who may have rigged an election. Are these the people who have your best interests in hand?

It's the Money Stupid

Let us be honest here. It is about money. The churches are against the land commision. At least Ruto is honest about it.

The "church" has for ages been acquiring land illegally in Kenya. Ask yourself where all these tent churches get the money to buy prime land from.....

You are being bamboozled, hoodwinked, run astray, run amock, lied to by these church leaders. (sorry malcom)

In the meantime, I will have my viceroy in celebration as I read my Bible and interpret the give unto Ceasar clause the way a muslim would.

Guys
The minute you start condemning the men of God, is the minute your end starts.
I am listening to Kenyans and I wonder what happened to the God fearing culture where we always respect the men of God
Be very careful
I am voting No, until the issues raised are addressed.
For me and my children

Fundaah, that's a good start, the solution being to review our VALUES and express them in the constitution.

[quote=Njunge]@Nanfor,
thereafter,marshal a million signatures to petition an amendment quote]

I will be more than willing to sign for the ammendment especially on abortion ....as I am pro-life

I have seen and read all this arguments before.
Can I raise a small point. When Church leaders say they will lead there followers to say no if the 2 conditions are not met are they speaking as church leaders or as politicians. I am afraid it can not be both.
If they are speaking as church leaders, whose principles are they following because I am sure the Carpenter from Nazareth was a humble and always gave such useful advice such as turn your cheek and give on to caesar.
There is a band that young people love with the initials WWJD. Which stands for what would jesus do? What whould he tell his flock?? I wonder!

If the church leaders are speaking as politicians please let them say so and then I can put on my look-through bullshit shades and wear my listening to idiots headphones.

@waithaka .... I see you have turned your wrath to the christians now!!