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I ask to be forgiven for reviving this archaic thread but am extremely impressed by these young men from Kiambu. Why lie... there lies great talent in these 2 African men. I only hope we will one day tap the potential of what our innovators can offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H4YSSBPwp4#t=574"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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I wonder why I never saw this thread before? Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic. I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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@masukuma you are spot on especially on the money/survival part. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research!  We lost something special when we disregarded the cultural importance of knowledge something our forefathers highly emphasized and going by the African proverbs thread they truly were wise.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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symbols wrote:masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! We lost something special when we disregarded the cultural importance of knowledge something our forefathers highly emphasized and going by the African proverbs thread they truly were wise. I have never had of Gichandi. Putting ideas, to paper is one of the ways of preserving knowledge. Africans werent good at that. We lost it when we let the colonialist define to us what we are and what we are supposed to do. He who defines you, confines you. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Pedes wrote:symbols wrote:masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! We lost something special when we disregarded the cultural importance of knowledge something our forefathers highly emphasized and going by the African proverbs thread they truly were wise. I have never had of Gichandi. Putting ideas, to paper is one of the ways of preserving knowledge. Africans werent good at that. We lost it when we let the colonialist define to us what we are and what we are supposed to do. He who defines you, confines you. We have an opportunity.We have a young population.We can try and nurture values that would serve us and our neighbours best.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:Pedes wrote:symbols wrote:masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! We lost something special when we disregarded the cultural importance of knowledge something our forefathers highly emphasized and going by the African proverbs thread they truly were wise. I have never had of Gichandi. Putting ideas, to paper is one of the ways of preserving knowledge. Africans werent good at that. We lost it when we let the colonialist define to us what we are and what we are supposed to do. He who defines you, confines you. We have an opportunity.We have a young population.We can try and nurture values that would serve us and our neighbours best. we should also get rid of these borders that were introduced 130 years ago! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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masukuma wrote:symbols wrote:Pedes wrote:symbols wrote:masukuma wrote:I wonder why I never saw this thread before?
Anyway let me weigh in! there is nothing wrong with an African! nothing wrong at all! human beings have been on this planet for around 200k years. for a large number of them they were fighting the elements for a great majority of those years. what are we comparing? the 199,000 years that Europe has been subsisting and surviving vis a vis our 199,950 years? come on! in the grand scheme of things - its nothing! Nothing at all! Yet again, how much of what had been ‘invented’ by Africans prior to the white man’s coming do you know? Unlike what happened in india, what happened in east Africa trivialized everything that was African. To me – this must have been some form of a cruel Victorian experiment! The missionaries and settlers strove to create a black white man – completely eradicating all aspects of our existing culture. Apparently the Kikuyu had a form of writing known as Gichandi however it was lost when the European experiment worked. Many other groups must have lost aspects of their culture but it is not too late to recover these things. But that is another topic.
I personally love the sciences! A scientist in my own right but I understand the battles an african scientist faces. Do you want to do research or survive? Our CULTURE has evolved to be one that glorifies wealth! So what a typical scientist will do is this – he will get a good job and make lot’s of money! Everyone wants to live in the leafy green suburbs! It may be in an NGO or something like that. But it’s not wrong! When we compare ourselves with others we realize that we are a bit far behind (comparison is a good thing), we attempt to catch up! Do you reinvent a car or do you buy a second hand car for less than 5000 dollars? You buy the second hand car! How different is our case to that of the Australian aboriginal? How much of the praise that is being given to latin and south America is actually directed to the native cultures? Any Nobel prize winner from the American Indian community? It all has to do with CULTURE… I am proud to say that we will get there one day! It doesn’t have to be in your life time. Subsist so that another can have the luxury to do real research! We lost something special when we disregarded the cultural importance of knowledge something our forefathers highly emphasized and going by the African proverbs thread they truly were wise. I have never had of Gichandi. Putting ideas, to paper is one of the ways of preserving knowledge. Africans werent good at that. We lost it when we let the colonialist define to us what we are and what we are supposed to do. He who defines you, confines you. We have an opportunity.We have a young population.We can try and nurture values that would serve us and our neighbours best. we should also get rid of these borders that were introduced 130 years ago! To what end?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The borders go with the politics, the politics with the economics, the economics, with the world view. The identity.
To do away with borders, the ego must transform.
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