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Somalia in the 1980s - before collapse and alshabaab
Impunity
#31 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:16:35 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers.


Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.









Interesting issues.



I am waiting for alphdoti comeback.

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masukuma
#32 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2019 2:57:16 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. You are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.

What’s with these men attempting to regulate the bodies of women? Westernization is not one thing - it’s not that thing you are focusing on.

Same old debate, always has to come up each year, if not more. We repeat it again and again.

Just let people BE! wewe vaa vile unataka na uwache kusumbua watu!
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kaka2za
#33 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2019 3:16:59 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. You are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.

What’s with these men attempting to regulate the bodies of women? Westernization is not one thing - it’s not that thing you are focusing on.

Same old debate, always has to come up each year, if not more. We repeat it again and again.

Just let people BE! wewe vaa vile unataka na uwache kusumbua watu!


Somalis are found mainly in five countries viz: Somalia, Kenya, Somaliland, Djibouti, and Ethiopia. They have maintained their culture across borders so the secularism in Somalia during the Barre years must have been influenced by foreigners.
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masukuma
#34 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2019 8:43:14 PM
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Location: Nairobi
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism.

It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so.

Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. You are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation?

So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul.

What’s with these men attempting to regulate the bodies of women? Westernization is not one thing - it’s not that thing you are focusing on.

Same old debate, always has to come up each year, if not more. We repeat it again and again.

Just let people BE! wewe vaa vile unataka na uwache kusumbua watu!


Somalis are found mainly in five countries viz: Somalia, Kenya, Somaliland, Djibouti, and Ethiopia. They have maintained their culture across borders so the secularism in Somalia during the Barre years must have been influenced by foreigners.

And those foreigners only live (lived) in Somalia in the Barre years? They don’t come to Kenya, Somaliland and Ethiopia?
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AlphDoti
#35 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2019 7:50:34 PM
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Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers.

Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.

Interesting issues.

I am waiting for alphdoti comeback.

smile

@Hardwood, the garments are forbidden for Muslims to wear are those which are worn exclusively by the disbelievers and are not worn by anyone else. But those clothes which are worn by Christians, Jews, Muslims and disbelievers, like suits and neckties, there is nothing wrong with wearing them, because they are not exclusive to the disbelievers. What is forbidden is what is distinct and exclusive to them. Below is what is allowed in Islam.
safariant
#36 Posted : Friday, May 31, 2019 9:51:19 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers.

Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.

Interesting issues.

I am waiting for alphdoti comeback.

smile

@Hardwood, the garments are forbidden for Muslims to wear are those which are worn exclusively by the disbelievers and are not worn by anyone else. But those clothes which are worn by Christians, Jews, Muslims and disbelievers, like suits and neckties, there is nothing wrong with wearing them, because they are not exclusive to the disbelievers. What is forbidden is what is distinct and exclusive to them. Below is what is allowed in Islam.


When was the dress code issued?
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AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:46:21 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
safariant wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers.

Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.

Interesting issues.

I am waiting for alphdoti comeback.

smile

@Hardwood, the garments are forbidden for Muslims to wear are those which are worn exclusively by the disbelievers and are not worn by anyone else. But those clothes which are worn by Christians, Jews, Muslims and disbelievers, like suits and neckties, there is nothing wrong with wearing them, because they are not exclusive to the disbelievers. What is forbidden is what is distinct and exclusive to them. Below is what is allowed in Islam.

When was the dress code issued?

For us who believe in creation, dress code was issued from the time of Adam. “O children of Adam! Surely we have bestowed upon you a garment to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you, and the garment of piety is the best” Quran, 7:26.

Abraham dressed so. Musa dressed so. Jesus dressed so. Mary mother of Jesus dressed so. Nuns dress so. Mother Theresa dressed so. Orthodox women dress so. Orthodox Jewish women dress so. Muslims dress so.

The Quran calls for women to "draw their head-coverings over their chests" (24:30-31)
For Men: The minimum amount to be covered on the body is between the navel and the knee.
masukuma
#38 Posted : Sunday, June 02, 2019 10:57:13 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
safariant wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers.

Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.

Interesting issues.

I am waiting for alphdoti comeback.

smile

@Hardwood, the garments are forbidden for Muslims to wear are those which are worn exclusively by the disbelievers and are not worn by anyone else. But those clothes which are worn by Christians, Jews, Muslims and disbelievers, like suits and neckties, there is nothing wrong with wearing them, because they are not exclusive to the disbelievers. What is forbidden is what is distinct and exclusive to them. Below is what is allowed in Islam.

When was the dress code issued?

For us who believe in creation, dress code was issued from the time of Adam. “O children of Adam! Surely we have bestowed upon you a garment to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you, and the garment of piety is the best” Quran, 7:26.

Abraham dressed so. Musa dressed so. Jesus dressed so. Mary mother of Jesus dressed so. Nuns dress so. Mother Theresa dressed so. Orthodox women dress so. Orthodox Jewish women dress so. Muslims dress so.

The Quran calls for women to "draw their head-coverings over their chests" (24:30-31)
For Men: The minimum amount to be covered on the body is between the navel and the knee.

"we have bestowed upon you a garment to cover your shame" - whose shame? the shame of the person wearing or is "your shame" some centralized shame dictated by others?
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masukuma
#39 Posted : Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:08:28 AM
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Icelanders are among the happiest and healthiest people on Earth. They publish more books per capita than any other country, and they have more artists. They boast the most prevalent belief in evolution — and elves, too. Iceland is the world’s most peaceful nation (the cops don’t even carry guns), and the best place for kids. Oh, and they’ve got a lesbian head of state, the world’s first. Granted, the national dish is putrefied shark meat, but you can’t have everything.

Iceland is also the best place to have a uterus, according to the folks at the World Economic Forum. The Global Gender Gap Report ranks countries based on where women have the most equal access to education and healthcare, and where they can participate most fully in the country’s political and economic life.

According to the 2013 report, Icelandic women pretty much have it all. Their sisters in Finland, Norway, and Sweden have it pretty good, too: those countries came in second, third and fourth, respectively. Denmark is not far behind at number seven.
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So how did a string of countries settled by Vikings become leaders in gender enlightenment? Bloodthirsty raiding parties don’t exactly sound like models of egalitarianism, and the early days weren’t pretty. Medieval Icelandic law prohibited women from bearing arms or even having short hair. Viking women could not be chiefs or judges, and they had to remain silent in assemblies. On the flip side, they could request a divorce and inherit property. But that’s not quite a blueprint for the world’s premier egalitarian society.

The change came with literacy, for one thing. Today almost everybody in Scandinavia can read, a legacy of the Reformation and early Christian missionaries, who were interested in teaching all citizens to read the Bible. Following a long period of turmoil, Nordic states also turned to literacy as a stabilizing force in the late 18th century. By 1842, Sweden had made education compulsory for both boys and girls.

Researchers have found that the more literate the society in general, the more egalitarian it is likely to be, and vice versa. But the literacy rate is very high in the U.S., too, so there must be something else going on in Scandinavia. Turns out that a whole smorgasbord of ingredients makes gender equality a high priority in Nordic countries.

To understand why, let’s take a look at religion. The Scandinavian Lutherans, who turned away from the excesses of the medieval Catholic Church, were concerned about equality — especially the disparity between rich and poor. They thought that individuals had some inherent rights that could not just be bestowed by the powerful, and this may have opened them to the idea of rights for women. Lutheran state churches in Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Iceland have had female priests since the middle of the 20th century, and today, the Swedish Lutheran Church even has a female archbishop.

Or maybe it’s just that there’s not much religion at all. Scandinavians aren’t big churchgoers. They tend to look at morality from a secular point of view, where there’s not so much obsessive focus on sexual issues and less interest in controlling women’s behavior and activities. Scandinavia’s secularism decoupled sex from sin, and this worked out well for females. They came to be seen as having the right to sexual experience just like men, and reproductive freedom, too. Girls and boys learn about contraception in school (and even the pleasure of orgasms), and most cities have youth clinics where contraceptives are readily available. Women may have an abortion for any reason up to the eighteenth week (they can seek permission from the National Board of Health and Welfare after that), and the issue is not politically controversial.
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