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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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A friend of mine is asking whether Two Rivers Mall is standing on riparian land and if yes why the selective amnesia Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,615
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limanika wrote:My fren's silence on this matter is so loud i cant hear anything!! PHD candidate on the "Impact of human activities on riparian land". Currently collecting field data 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:alma1 wrote:Nice Murchr But We all know Kidero. My fren crush Kidero and I can assure you, I will join in the Uhuru brigade. I know what Sonko is doing and why and for whom. To me that's just politico. I think there's a greater good. Deal with Kidero and for the first time since Nathan Kahara, I'll know Nairobi may change. I still ask about Langata Primary kids. Hapo #kitawelekana Not before. To me it's still the promises we always get from Jubilee. Then nothing happens. It's another laptop issue. Weston is on public land yes, but I think it is Airport land (Wilson). I had a hunch, how about the GoK taking over some of these properties......for instance, bringing down Weston may not help anybody at all. How about handing it over to Wilson Airport and going hard after those who approved any document that led to the construction? It will still have the same effect as bringing it down anyway, but with zero real loss to the economy. How does this sound ladies and genomen?? Giving time to the criminals to game the system ...as long as the hotel (and others) stand, the perpetrators will move heaven and earth to defeat justice...I remember reading somewhere about Alexander the Great razing Persepolis to the ground, a great good wealth went up in smoke and no one could understand his thinking, he seemed quite mad! His reasoning was quite simple, and it was that as long as it stood as a shining gem, it would always invite ambitious, greedy and marauding kings to try and conquer it...it brought perpetual war to the lands. This is an apt analogy. When the corrupt get too good at gaming the system, employing ill gotten wealth to tie the bureacracy and legal system in knots, only the blunt instruments work. These are blunt instruments manifesting. Let the illegal buildings be reduced to rubble.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Kusadikika wrote:Kuna mtu ako Nairobi Hospital, Karen Hospital ama Aga Khan? Life is about to get very stressful and difficult for billionaire land grabbers. Expect an epidemic of heart attacks, strokes, panic attacks etc. As one building goes down thousands who have been getting away with these things for years must be shitting in their pants.
There is comfort in numbers. The numerous wakora will just be proclaiming, "shit, i'm next" and smiling...... TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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quicksand wrote:simonkabz wrote:alma1 wrote:Nice Murchr But We all know Kidero. My fren crush Kidero and I can assure you, I will join in the Uhuru brigade. I know what Sonko is doing and why and for whom. To me that's just politico. I think there's a greater good. Deal with Kidero and for the first time since Nathan Kahara, I'll know Nairobi may change. I still ask about Langata Primary kids. Hapo #kitawelekana Not before. To me it's still the promises we always get from Jubilee. Then nothing happens. It's another laptop issue. Weston is on public land yes, but I think it is Airport land (Wilson). I had a hunch, how about the GoK taking over some of these properties......for instance, bringing down Weston may not help anybody at all. How about handing it over to Wilson Airport and going hard after those who approved any document that led to the construction? It will still have the same effect as bringing it down anyway, but with zero real loss to the economy. How does this sound ladies and genomen?? Giving time to the criminals to game the system ...as long as the hotel (and others) stand, the perpetrators will move heaven and earth to defeat justice...I remember reading somewhere about Alexander the Great razing Persepolis to the ground, a great good wealth went up in smoke and no one could understand his thinking, he seemed quite mad! His reasoning was quite simple, and it was that as long as it stood as a shining gem, it would always invite ambitious, greedy and marauding kings to try and conquer it...it brought perpetual war to the lands. This is an apt analogy. When the corrupt get too good at gaming the system, employing ill gotten wealth to tie the bureacracy and legal system in knots, only the blunt instruments work. These are blunt instruments manifesting. Let the illegal buildings be reduced to rubble. You have a good point Quicksand, but there is always a solution to everything. What would you think of demolishing the Grand regency for instance, or lets say, closing it down instead of taking possession? I believe taking legal possession is not impossible, and for safe, harmless properties only. Kenyans are very awake, informed, and very noisy, and therefore gaming the system to get back illegal property from the GoK after a highly publicized demolishing stint sounds nearly impossible and wouldn't escape a messy public backlash. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Weston is on public land yes, but I think it is Airport land (Wilson).
I had a hunch, how about the GoK taking over some of these properties......for instance, bringing down Weston may not help anybody at all. How about handing it over to Wilson Airport and going hard after those who approved any document that led to the construction? It will still have the same effect as bringing it down anyway, but with zero real loss to the economy.
How does this sound ladies and genomen??[/quote]
Why repossess and not fine and imprison? Or just fine? And what would be the repossession process entail? Courts of law? I know you've said that repossession wouldn't be a difficult thing to do, so I'm interested in knowing a bit of how that could be done.
Again,we are assuming that this is the best use for the land. But is that a fair assumption?
Finally, even if the government repossessed it, it would be forced to re-privatize it again sooner rather than later. It's not the culprits who'd be gaming the system as @quicksand has pointed out, but it will be the government and 'the people' gaming themselves.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:quicksand wrote:simonkabz wrote:alma1 wrote:Nice Murchr But We all know Kidero. My fren crush Kidero and I can assure you, I will join in the Uhuru brigade. I know what Sonko is doing and why and for whom. To me that's just politico. I think there's a greater good. Deal with Kidero and for the first time since Nathan Kahara, I'll know Nairobi may change. I still ask about Langata Primary kids. Hapo #kitawelekana Not before. To me it's still the promises we always get from Jubilee. Then nothing happens. It's another laptop issue. Weston is on public land yes, but I think it is Airport land (Wilson). I had a hunch, how about the GoK taking over some of these properties......for instance, bringing down Weston may not help anybody at all. How about handing it over to Wilson Airport and going hard after those who approved any document that led to the construction? It will still have the same effect as bringing it down anyway, but with zero real loss to the economy. How does this sound ladies and genomen?? Giving time to the criminals to game the system ...as long as the hotel (and others) stand, the perpetrators will move heaven and earth to defeat justice...I remember reading somewhere about Alexander the Great razing Persepolis to the ground, a great good wealth went up in smoke and no one could understand his thinking, he seemed quite mad! His reasoning was quite simple, and it was that as long as it stood as a shining gem, it would always invite ambitious, greedy and marauding kings to try and conquer it...it brought perpetual war to the lands. This is an apt analogy. When the corrupt get too good at gaming the system, employing ill gotten wealth to tie the bureacracy and legal system in knots, only the blunt instruments work. These are blunt instruments manifesting. Let the illegal buildings be reduced to rubble. You have a good point Quicksand, but there is always a solution to everything. What would you think of demolishing the Grand regency for instance, or lets say, closing it down instead of taking possession? I believe taking legal possession is not impossible, and for safe, harmless properties only. Kenyans are very awake, informed, and very noisy, and therefore gaming the system to get back illegal property from the GoK after a highly publicized demolishing stint sounds nearly impossible and wouldn't escape a messy public backlash. Taking repossession has merits, with the Grand Regency as well as some others. However, it is too early for such measured measures. Let it come after some prolonged pain for looters. It had gotten to the point of mere functionaries stealing billions. The message has to sink in that if you steal or participate in a bent process, you will be crushed - this is the only way re-purposing stolen assets for national good can work; the counters of the beans, the paper shufflers must first be convinced there is no good to come out of getting compromised, the compromisers must be convinced there is no profit in corrupting officials, only then can reclaiming assets actually work. If we relent and go all reasonable before enough pain is inflicted, crooked officials will soon forget and the well-meant nationalization effort will disappear down the cracks. We need a 10-year relentless crackdown, until people start returning things they have stolen out of their own volition ...though that will be a lot to hope for.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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This course of events has taken me by surprise. And it's taking me some time to understand.
It appears that the trend of repossession is linked to the environment, and I would like to believe that there's a serious strategy taking place regarding environmental stewardship and climate enhancement.
As I opined earlier, we can put a value to an individual's health, or fresh air etc. and come up with optimal solutions for the challenges we are facing.
For example, in reclaiming riparian zones, can we come up with adaptive forms of architecture to meet most of the demand on land?
How can the tea zones and public-environmental interest converge and work together?
My suspicion is that if there's no clear strategy with considered objectives and outcomes, then this is a political gimmick.
After all, corruption has always been a good tool for political control. And now when the main strategy has been to dissuade and suppress, then we can be sure that such plans don't sustain for long.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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@Thimioni, I guess i am slow. Rather slow and so really i am not getting you. It's okay for "ús to profit from those buildings or something like that. How, if i may, do we convince the river, to forget it's course or not to flood thus inconveniencing akina Angelica? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Anyway, I'm a strong believer in punitive measures, esp on Africans. Mwafrika ni kiboko, hakuna ingine. All great nations went through great pain and ruthlessness before greatness. China had their moment with Chairman Mao, Japan with their Imperialism and crazed emperors, the West with numerous wars that annihilated millions. The Same goes for S Korea, Singapore, Israel, Brazil, South Africa. I always like it when the GoK looks tough on anything, not being shoved around like small girls. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Njunge wrote:@Thimioni, I guess i am slow. Rather slow and so really i am not getting you. It's okay for "ús to profit from those buildings or something like that. How, if i may, do we convince the river, to forget it's course or not to flood thus inconveniencing akina Angelica? Guka, today you are indeed slow. I specified, HARMLESS PROPERTIES ONLY. I believe some are pretty harmless. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Anyway, I'm a strong believer in punitive measures, esp on Africans. Mwafrika ni kiboko, hakuna ingine.
All great nations went through great pain and ruthlessness before greatness. China had their moment with Chairman Mao, Japan with their Imperialism and crazed emperors, the West with numerous wars that annihilated millions. The Same goes for S Korea, Singapore, Israel, Brazil, South Africa.
I always like it when the GoK looks tough on anything, not being shoved around like small girls. Some of the countries you've mentioned like SA or Brazil or Singapore ... have never been great. Greatness goes deep to the individuals you appear to hate and distrust. A government that rules by kiboko can never be great. China appears to have been great at some time, and mostly when it was confined to itself. But now with expanding empire it seems to be losing all hope for greatness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal  TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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tycho wrote:simonkabz wrote:Anyway, I'm a strong believer in punitive measures, esp on Africans. Mwafrika ni kiboko, hakuna ingine.
All great nations went through great pain and ruthlessness before greatness. China had their moment with Chairman Mao, Japan with their Imperialism and crazed emperors, the West with numerous wars that annihilated millions. The Same goes for S Korea, Singapore, Israel, Brazil, South Africa.
I always like it when the GoK looks tough on anything, not being shoved around like small girls. Some of the countries you've mentioned like SA or Brazil or Singapore ... have never been great. Greatness goes deep to the individuals you appear to hate and distrust. A government that rules by kiboko can never be great. China appears to have been great at some time, and mostly when it was confined to itself. But now with expanding empire it seems to be losing all hope for greatness. Greatness is relative and can entail any parameter. Mine is economic greatness & growth, and seemingly good governance. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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I hope once they are done in town, they should come to Maziwa, Kahawa West and Kongo!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal 
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