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murchr
#31 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:11:39 AM
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Does it mean that if you dont believe in doctrine, you dont believe in God?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:24:34 AM
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@ngogoyo, everyone goes through this stage in their lives. It's where you question things in your life and make rational decision.

Start from here: do not follow any religion except monotheism. What is monotheism? It is the religion the prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) pbuh, he was neither a Jew not a Christian, and he used to worship none but God Almighty alone...

I'll post more later... Good Willing
AlphDoti
#33 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:42:59 AM
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A member of Wazua @dia made this comment: "as an adult, you and you only are responsible for your spiritual well being not your parents. After all, we will all appear before our maker alone, not with our spouses/kids/parents/friends etc."

And I like this comment.
AlphDoti
#34 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:49:28 AM
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@ngogoyo, read my story...

But first some introduction... You see, every child is born in a state Fitra. That means, every baby when born has recognition of God, a Creator imprinted in the soul, as a part of their nature. It's the parents who make that child a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist or Atheist. Naturally, a child submits to physical laws of universe, the soul too submits naturally to fact that God is his Lord and Creator. But, the parents try to make him follow their own way (read religion) and child at that early age is not strong enough to resist or oppose the will of his parents - customs and upbringing.

Now when you reach adulthood, 
- you need to use your mind,
- INVESTIGATE
- Why should you be blind to something that might have impact on your life?
- and come into your own conclusion

MY STORY NOW
It might surprise you when I tell you that I was born and raised in Catholic home (catholic parents) and came to Islam on my own! What happened? I used to be curious about believes of other religions. When I was the university, I studied them. And guess what I found alot of questionable things in the Church. The more I thought about the beliefs in church, the more I saw more and the more I questioned. Eventually I stopped going to church completely because whenever I questioned some things that were not making sense, I was told "Just belief"

When I researched Islam, I discovered that its teachings are making sense e.g. commandments of God including where God said: "I'm the Only God, there is no other" (which the church violated by bringin in trinity); In another place says "Do not draw, or mold, or carve or ... images of anything in heaven, air, water and earth" (which the church violated); another place says "Do not bow down to those things" (which the church violated)
Mtu Biz
#35 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:19:29 AM
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I see two types of people. Those who have temporarily settled on some form of absolute truth (Theory of Everything) and those who are still looking, weighing and asking questions.


My story...

Let me hopefully summarize.

Went to church with folks in lower primary until i think class 5 when i joined my dad in not going anymore..
Always wondered why i could not be good 100% like the pastors told us to be at that time.

In my pre teens and early teens came across some material at the back of some comic books about how to get powers like spiderman etc

experimented with medidating to be able to move objects with my mind(didnt know what i was doing)..Ended up getting the most weird types of 'dreams' after that. Later came to learn that these were Out of Body experiences also known as astral projection in some quarters.

Got 'saved' in high school for 1 term. Was prayed for etc went for CU but decided to drop it when closing day approached...lol coudnt imagine telling my boys back home that im saved.
Came back the following term backslidden.

Lived the textbook (Booze Clubbing Girls some weed)secular teen and post teen life until about 4th year campus

Had an experience which i have come to see is given many names depending on the dominant culture... I called it salvation, some call it ego death etc.
But i was literally born again, i became a new person at/after that experience... i was alone.. no church no pastor no stretching of hands to the TV no guru no imam no book i was reading nothing....

Just me on a Thursday morning during a power blackout.

I came out of that experience with zero ego reference points..The usual mind chatter and judgements about everything was gone.
And literally everything was brand new....everything was pristine. I think i saw the sun for the first time that day.
So...
Was later advised to go to church and get baptized as i was now born again (and from my experience i literally was running a new operating system). The old me and my old ways seemed like the story of someone else or a dream i had.

My disappointment with church experiences started early...

I had assumed everyone is there on the basis of a similar experience and we can all have wonderful fellowship. I was wrong.

I questioned the method used in church of 'getting saved'. Repeating a prayer (which is not in the bible) then a pastor of whoever declares you saved.
Among many other things....

Fast foreword to marriage and fatherhood....

I'am pretty much going through the motions described by others here so as not to rock the family boat too much on matters spiritual.

I have since found out that my 'salvation' experience above is shared by others who do not attribute it to Christianity or Christ.

I recently read the story of Eckhart Tolle (Yes that new age Eckhart Tolle) and i was shocked at the similarity of his experience and mine.

I have also followed stories of folks who have tripped on psychedelics and other forms of altered states of consciousness... Same ego death thread in those experiences

Let me back up a bit... There is a Quantum physics / Quantum mechanics experiment (The double slit experiment) which was a serious eye opener for me... and research down that road let me to looking into sacred geometry (which makes a lot of sense)


Ok chronologically...

My ego construct dies iam born again > Go to church Get baptized > Disagree with most stuff except the direct teachings of Jesus > Do some research > Quantum physics(big eye opener) > Psychology on the Ego Out of Body Experiences etc > Sacred Geometry > Alternative Story of human history (Very intriguing).....
All this is over a 15 year period.

The curious thing about my research is that these seemingly disjointed pieces of the puzzle (Outside religious dogma) seem to agree with each other on different levels.

And they explain my experiences in a way i can connect with.











Sola Scriptura


AlphDoti
#36 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:22:13 AM
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@Mtu Biz that is an interesting story. I noted something though: you're still guilty of being one sided (ok let's call it two sided) i.e. your old folks church thing as evidenced by your kids going to church, and the nature part. If you want to be honest and whole-round, examine other religious books too. There are two major religions currently: Christianity and Islam. You need to read the Quran without prejudice, then that way you'll have three sides of the story.

Forget prejudices and do thorough research...
Mtu Biz
#37 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:40:55 AM
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@Alphdoti

Belief systems have the same inherent character.

Duality.

We are right and they are wrong.

I'm not interested in going from one to another.

There exists information/knowledge out there about what/who we are and what this reality is about beyond the drama of duality.

Iam integrating this information on my own terms at my own pace and making my own conclusions based on my own experiences.

This path resonates with me.

Sola Scriptura


AlphDoti
#38 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:51:27 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:

@Alphdoti

Belief systems have the same inherent character.

Duality.

We are right and they are wrong.

I'm not interested in going from one to another.

There exists information/knowledge out there about what/who we are and what this reality is about beyond the drama of duality.

Iam integrating this information on my own terms at my own pace and making my own conclusions based on my own experiences.

This path resonates with me.

You have done nothing if you're still contend with a pre-conditioned mind. That is okay, my points above are not for those people. You are not ready to read widely, with open mind and open heart to give yourself opportunity, to put forward factual criticism etc

I can see you have a conviction that you've done enough, but I see that it is like turning a glass upside down and trying to pour something into.

Mine was ask you, to open your mind and open your heart for a moment if you dare. Set aside your pre-conditioning, set aside your prejudices, those that were given to you by your parents, by institutions, by your own set of faith or values, which you're still taking your kids to in fear of rocking the boat. Set that aside for a moment, and read, I promise you, no one is taking you hostage, no brainwashing but pure 100% research, covering 3 sides of the coin.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#39 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:57:47 AM
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@Alphadoti

With all due respect. Please don't ruin this thread with your Islamic teachings/perspectives. I respect your religion but please take it to the other numerous threads where you post numerically. Please!!

Allow us this one thread for us who are searching or questioning with an open mind.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Mtu Biz
#40 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:59:41 AM
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@Alphdoti

No thanks.

Tukutane mbele... :)
Sola Scriptura


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