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hamburglar wrote:What are they for? What value do they add in someone's life? They are expensive, messy, loud, big responsibilities and really don't make anything better in someone's life in my opinion. And did I mention that they are really expensive?
I have friends who have two or three kids and they all owe me money in the hundreds of thousands because at one point or another, they needed a soft loan for fees or medical expenses etc for the kids. Question. If you know that something is going to pull you back financially, then why are you still doing it? One of my friend has a really good job but has four kids and a stay at home wife. This guy is always BROKE on the 5th of the month after paying bills.
I can't even have lunch at a decent restaurant with him because he is always complaining "vile kumekauka". I have given him so much money that I've forgotten exactly how much he owes me. If this guy didn't have kids he would have so much money at his disposal and would never be stressed out the way he usually is. Everytime I see him he is always absent minded thinking about fees and rent and food and it makes me sad.
This past January I couldn't get most of my friends with kids to even meet over a 200 shillings coffee at Java because they were all complaining how broke they were. Hata mia mbili Hakuna.
I don't have any kids and my fiance and I make good incomes so combined we live very comfortably. We can take an impromptu trip at the drop of a hat to nice vacation spots and we generally enjoy life. We dine out and spend evenings at nice places without having to worry if our kids have been picked up from school or eaten supper. We eat life with a big spoon and enjoy every single day because we don't have the stress that my friends with kids all have.
One of them is on the verge of being thrown out of his house because he had to choose between school fees for three kids and rent in January.
They all tell me how lucky I am to be able to travel whenever I want and to be able to dine at good restaurants and buy nice stuff. Then they still go ahead and have more kids after that. Lol.
So, somebody tell me, what's the point of having kids again? Just wondering whether that's how atheists think.... that happiness is eating some juicy steak, taking coffee in java and going for holiday in some luxurious place...
And that's part of their great intelligence....lol
Surely something is wrong somewhere.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Intelligentsia wrote:@Ham,
BREAKING NEWS
a) there are many families, some large, where the parents afford all
manner of luxuries - trips and all - big families notwithstanding,
b) there are couples with no kids at all but are already suffering
financially and cant afford juicy steaks and vacations to exotic places
which seem very important to you.
You are mixing up personal financial management and parenting, where the latter is not just a monetary undertaking but includes the former and much much more.
Your friends are struggling to balance both and unfortunately they have become your S.I unit of parenting and financial management. Sadly, you have therefore reached this (your) life-defining conclusion (to us it isn't) based on a very narrow population sample of your immediate ecosystem of friends) and little wonder your results are so terribly flawed.
You need to get NEW PEERs, otherwise just by observing this bubble of your close friends you will be caught up in these flawed self-reinforcing conclusions that are peculiar to the group rather applicable to the wider humanity.
Give me a woman who has raised kids and one who hasn't, and don't tell me who is who and after observing how they relate with other people (kindness, patience, tolerance, selflessness,etc) I can tell if she is a parent or a soul whose world revolves around them.
You obviously didn't get the point. What am questioning is why seemingly educated people would have kids that they cannot comfortably support. Nobody contested the fact that well off families can raise over ten kids if they want to. My question is about those people who should know better but due to society's pressure and the need to fit in, decide to have kids that they know very well they will struggle to raise. Why? So that people on the outside can make comments like "what a beautiful family" while quietly you know very well that you stay up nights worrying about how you will afford to raise those kids? There are so many people out there like that. For the people who have money and can raise the Brady Bunch, good for them, if they want to have twenty kids they can, they have every right to. But to these guys who want to go to weddings to parade their three kids so that relatives can wax lyrical about their lovely family and how they are "watu wa maana" and yet they are crying every day about their struggles, maybe those people should reevaluate their priorities. Don't fall into a life of struggle so as to please society. f*** society. Do you, do what's right for you. Society will talk about how good your family looks at that family gathering but that society won't be there when the school fees are due. Don't be a people pleaser by doing something you know deep down is bad for you and your overall well being. People seek acknowledgement and acceptance by doing the most detrimental things. Just to please uncle so and so and auntie who and who at that family gathering. Those kids you have there belong to you and you alone. Quit trying to impress people with society's bullshit. And get off your high horse already. Where does it say that a woman that has kids is more kind more patient and more tolerant than a woman who doesn't have kids? Puhlease. I can show you a million women who have no kids that are kind and tolerant and patient as those mothers you claim. And I can also show you a million mothers who have four or five kids that are complete pieces of shit as well. Having kids doesn't suddenly make you more kind and more tolerant. If a woman was a bitch before she had kids she will still be a bitch even after 5 kids. Fact. Your argument has absolutely no basis, just a thinly veiled attempt to disrespect women who have chosen not to have kids. And my circle of friends are my friends no matter what. Everybody goes through rough patches and we all need a helping hand from time to time. To say that my peers are not responsible is very pretentious of you. Which world is this you live in that you have never had to ask someone or someone ask you for a little financial assistance? Who are you, Bill Gates? It doesn't matter if my friends fall into financial hardships, I will not change my circle just because one of my friends reached out to me for some financial assistance. Am not that disloyal and fake. You are the people who only want to hang out with "friends" who are well off even though deep down you know that those people are not really your friends. Get real.
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Liv wrote:hamburglar wrote:What are they for? What value do they add in someone's life? They are expensive, messy, loud, big responsibilities and really don't make anything better in someone's life in my opinion. And did I mention that they are really expensive?
I have friends who have two or three kids and they all owe me money in the hundreds of thousands because at one point or another, they needed a soft loan for fees or medical expenses etc for the kids. Question. If you know that something is going to pull you back financially, then why are you still doing it? One of my friend has a really good job but has four kids and a stay at home wife. This guy is always BROKE on the 5th of the month after paying bills.
I can't even have lunch at a decent restaurant with him because he is always complaining "vile kumekauka". I have given him so much money that I've forgotten exactly how much he owes me. If this guy didn't have kids he would have so much money at his disposal and would never be stressed out the way he usually is. Everytime I see him he is always absent minded thinking about fees and rent and food and it makes me sad.
This past January I couldn't get most of my friends with kids to even meet over a 200 shillings coffee at Java because they were all complaining how broke they were. Hata mia mbili Hakuna.
I don't have any kids and my fiance and I make good incomes so combined we live very comfortably. We can take an impromptu trip at the drop of a hat to nice vacation spots and we generally enjoy life. We dine out and spend evenings at nice places without having to worry if our kids have been picked up from school or eaten supper. We eat life with a big spoon and enjoy every single day because we don't have the stress that my friends with kids all have.
One of them is on the verge of being thrown out of his house because he had to choose between school fees for three kids and rent in January.
They all tell me how lucky I am to be able to travel whenever I want and to be able to dine at good restaurants and buy nice stuff. Then they still go ahead and have more kids after that. Lol.
So, somebody tell me, what's the point of having kids again? Just wondering whether that's how atheists think.... that happiness is eating some juicy steak, taking coffee in java and going for holiday in some luxurious place...
And that's part of their great intelligence....lol
Surely something is wrong somewhere. This is not about atheism. Focus. That's how people fail exams. If you want to attack my atheism there is a full thread out there that you can direct all your bile and hate against me and my atheism. I get it, you don't like me and that's OK but stalking me Hadi huku Kwa topics that have nothing to do with my atheism is very immature. If you want to throw down on atheism, tukutane huko Kwa Hiyo thread. Hapa ni topic ya watoto. What's with these personal attacks anyway? Lol.
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I have come to the sad realisation that society is the worst dictator we have around. It forces us to look 'normal'... ...get married!! ..we want to see kids, are you living like siblings??!!! ...be serious, the little one needs a sister/brother!! Thou MUST obey the Society or else...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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hamburglar wrote:Liv wrote:hamburglar wrote:What are they for? What value do they add in someone's life? They are expensive, messy, loud, big responsibilities and really don't make anything better in someone's life in my opinion. And did I mention that they are really expensive?
I have friends who have two or three kids and they all owe me money in the hundreds of thousands because at one point or another, they needed a soft loan for fees or medical expenses etc for the kids. Question. If you know that something is going to pull you back financially, then why are you still doing it? One of my friend has a really good job but has four kids and a stay at home wife. This guy is always BROKE on the 5th of the month after paying bills.
I can't even have lunch at a decent restaurant with him because he is always complaining "vile kumekauka". I have given him so much money that I've forgotten exactly how much he owes me. If this guy didn't have kids he would have so much money at his disposal and would never be stressed out the way he usually is. Everytime I see him he is always absent minded thinking about fees and rent and food and it makes me sad.
This past January I couldn't get most of my friends with kids to even meet over a 200 shillings coffee at Java because they were all complaining how broke they were. Hata mia mbili Hakuna.
I don't have any kids and my fiance and I make good incomes so combined we live very comfortably. We can take an impromptu trip at the drop of a hat to nice vacation spots and we generally enjoy life. We dine out and spend evenings at nice places without having to worry if our kids have been picked up from school or eaten supper. We eat life with a big spoon and enjoy every single day because we don't have the stress that my friends with kids all have.
One of them is on the verge of being thrown out of his house because he had to choose between school fees for three kids and rent in January.
They all tell me how lucky I am to be able to travel whenever I want and to be able to dine at good restaurants and buy nice stuff. Then they still go ahead and have more kids after that. Lol.
So, somebody tell me, what's the point of having kids again? Just wondering whether that's how atheists think.... that happiness is eating some juicy steak, taking coffee in java and going for holiday in some luxurious place...
And that's part of their great intelligence....lol
Surely something is wrong somewhere. This is not about atheism. Focus. That's how people fail exams. If you want to attack my atheism there is a full thread out there that you can direct all your bile and hate against me and my atheism. I get it, you don't like me and that's OK but stalking me Hadi huku Kwa topics that have nothing to do with my atheism is very immature. If you want to throw down on atheism, tukutane huko Kwa Hiyo thread. Hapa ni topic ya watoto. What's with these personal attacks anyway? Lol. This is about atheists.... lack of love, lack of empathy,...coldness.... self centredness,.... materialistic..... that is how you define happiness.... weird.
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hamburglar wrote:I never said I can't raise kids, I know I have the capability of raising a few kids comfortably if I ever chose to go down that path. But I DONT want any kids.
By choice and not because of financial circumstances or any other reason that some people are trying to pass. Very well. A kid is me. It is my flesh, my blood, and ultimately, the heir to my wealth. In that regard, if you do not want a kid, this is because you do not want your flesh, your blood, and you wish to be buried with your wealth. So what is it that you do not like about your flesh? Are you suffering from a disease of the flesh, something like Peyronie's disease perhaps? (Link)what is it that you do not like about your blood? Are you human immuno-virus positive and would not like to pass it on to your kid? What would you like to happen to your accumulated wealth if you die tonight? Play do tell
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Liv wrote:hamburglar wrote:Liv wrote:hamburglar wrote:What are they for? What value do they add in someone's life? They are expensive, messy, loud, big responsibilities and really don't make anything better in someone's life in my opinion. And did I mention that they are really expensive?
I have friends who have two or three kids and they all owe me money in the hundreds of thousands because at one point or another, they needed a soft loan for fees or medical expenses etc for the kids. Question. If you know that something is going to pull you back financially, then why are you still doing it? One of my friend has a really good job but has four kids and a stay at home wife. This guy is always BROKE on the 5th of the month after paying bills.
I can't even have lunch at a decent restaurant with him because he is always complaining "vile kumekauka". I have given him so much money that I've forgotten exactly how much he owes me. If this guy didn't have kids he would have so much money at his disposal and would never be stressed out the way he usually is. Everytime I see him he is always absent minded thinking about fees and rent and food and it makes me sad.
This past January I couldn't get most of my friends with kids to even meet over a 200 shillings coffee at Java because they were all complaining how broke they were. Hata mia mbili Hakuna.
I don't have any kids and my fiance and I make good incomes so combined we live very comfortably. We can take an impromptu trip at the drop of a hat to nice vacation spots and we generally enjoy life. We dine out and spend evenings at nice places without having to worry if our kids have been picked up from school or eaten supper. We eat life with a big spoon and enjoy every single day because we don't have the stress that my friends with kids all have.
One of them is on the verge of being thrown out of his house because he had to choose between school fees for three kids and rent in January.
They all tell me how lucky I am to be able to travel whenever I want and to be able to dine at good restaurants and buy nice stuff. Then they still go ahead and have more kids after that. Lol.
So, somebody tell me, what's the point of having kids again? Just wondering whether that's how atheists think.... that happiness is eating some juicy steak, taking coffee in java and going for holiday in some luxurious place...
And that's part of their great intelligence....lol
Surely something is wrong somewhere. This is not about atheism. Focus. That's how people fail exams. If you want to attack my atheism there is a full thread out there that you can direct all your bile and hate against me and my atheism. I get it, you don't like me and that's OK but stalking me Hadi huku Kwa topics that have nothing to do with my atheism is very immature. If you want to throw down on atheism, tukutane huko Kwa Hiyo thread. Hapa ni topic ya watoto. What's with these personal attacks anyway? Lol. This is about atheists.... lack of love, lack of empathy,...coldness.... self centredness,.... materialistic..... that is how you define happiness.... weird. Hii ndio tunaitanga ujinga ya First Class. 
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Life exists only to perpetuate itself. There's no other reason for being alive....careers,fun,politics, religion etc etc is all secondary. We live to procreate. Period.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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iko mtu ameona findio yangu? ni simple... if you think you are intelligent - make an attempt to pass on that intelligence to the next generation. otherwise the dunderheads will run circles around the rest of us... I attaching another clip... Quote:
Someone made fire. Someone was first. I don't mean the idiot who found a
burning stick and kept it going. I mean the fellow who could make fire. And until that knowledge was stolen, that fellow was the most powerful person in the world. And it means something to be first. To be most. It means a great deal.
'It means you have an opportunity to reproduce with the highest frequency and with the most desirable partners.'
'It means your offspring have the greatest chance of survival and a better opportunity to make their own fire. I personally believe human evolution has reached its limit. We live in a world where the people who can make fire have a tendency to wear condoms, sit in casinos and drink themselves into a stupor. I believe that individual evolution has been replaced by something else. By a shared evolution. A communal contest, if you will.'
'I believe, Ms. Stenwick, in corporate evolution. I believe that a corporation that is first, that is the most, has an opportunity to manufacture
with the highest frequency and in the most desirable markets and that its shareholders, by extension, have the greatest chance of survival and reinvestment.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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" What are they for? What value do they add in someone's life? They are expensive, messy, loud, big responsibilities and really don't make anything better in someone's life in my opinion. And did I mention that they are really expensive?"
@Ham, this is how you started a topic on children..... your values as an atheists can show clearly in that paragraph
Everyone here can see who is a fool here...lol
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