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#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:35:07 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
hardwood wrote:
This is democracy according to USA.


Hillary 65,844,954 votes (48.2%)
Trump 62,979,879 votes (46.1%)

Hillary led by 2.9 million votes but that doesn't matter in the leading democracy in the world.



It is a perverse system for sure where the looser is declared the winner.

But no more perverse than Kenya yetu hii, where a fellow who lost by almost 800,000 votes last time still sings that he won. Democracy is what you say it is.



Boss, ni hallucinations ama?
You are right, baba lost by 800,000 and he is not President.

BBI will solve it :)
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Lolest!
#32 Posted : Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:38:25 PM
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There are 2.1 million registered taxpayers in Kenya. There are 19.6 million registered voters in Kenya.

Well, the electoral body has 19.6 million names on the voters’ roll and Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) received returns from 2.4 million people by the end of June 30, 2017. The 2.1 million mentioned in the tweet was the number announced on June 29.

In my opinion, this is a fundamental flaw in the one-man-one-vote electoral democracy. I think we should change it so that on those registered as taxpayers should be allowed to vote – barring, of course, companies, societies and other corporate entities.



http://www.nation.co.ke/...15756-vtunqoz/index.html
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Tokyo
#33 Posted : Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:55:50 PM
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I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only
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Kusadikika
#34 Posted : Wednesday, July 19, 2017 6:10:44 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only


In that case everybody should vote because everybody in Kenya pays VAT.

If I was to restrict voting I would introduce age expiry. After the age of 70 you should not vote. Youngest age would also be increased to 25 from 18. I would also weight the votes differently. One man would get one vote and one woman would get one and a half votes so that 10 womens votes would be equal to 15 men.
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:43:10 PM
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In that case everybody should vote because everybody in Kenya pays VAT.


See what that former wazuan in the link above says:

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But then there is an argument that everybody pays Value Added Tax (VAT) when they purchase goods and services; so everyone is a taxpayer. That reasoning is fundamentally flawed! The fact that you buy things is proof that you have an income and anybody who has an income is supposed to paay tax. If you don’t, then you are a tax-evader and you shouldn’t get the right to vote. After all, those who pay income tax also pay VAT!
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washiku
#36 Posted : Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:53:57 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only


In that case those who pay more taxes should have their votes count for more, more like a shareholding kind off and corporate organizations should also be allowed to vote given they pay more tax, right?
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wazuaguest
#37 Posted : Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:25:12 AM
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washiku wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only


In that case those who pay more taxes should have their votes count for more, more like a shareholding kind off and corporate organizations should also be allowed to vote given they pay more tax, right?

Shame on you
So lets assume Royal Media is the highest Tax payer

Is Royal Media dependent on Kenyans or are Kenyans dependent on Royal media?If Royal media closed Kenya as a Sovereign Nation would go on,and its people would continue determining their destiny(voting)

When it comes to Nationhood that argument is flawed
Africa belongs to Africans.
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wazuaguest
#38 Posted : Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:26:51 AM
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washiku wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only


In that case those who pay more taxes should have their votes count for more, more like a shareholding kind off and corporate organizations should also be allowed to vote given they pay more tax, right?

Shame on you
So lets assume Royal Media is the highest Tax payer

Is Royal Media dependent on Kenyans or are Kenyans dependent on Royal media?If Royal media closed, Kenya as a Sovereign Nation would go on,and its people would continue determining their destiny(voting)

When it comes to Nationhood that argument is flawed
Africa belongs to Africans.
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hardwood
#39 Posted : Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:02:46 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
I have always maintained voting should be a privilege for TAX payers only


The west (UK, USA etc) grew prosperous and strong because for many many years voting was restricted and only property owners could vote. Therefore you vote what is best for your "property" and its prosperity. It is absurd to give industrialist Kirubi and a guy in kibera (or an 18yr old boy fresh from school) equal say when voting. Because while Kirubi would be voting on what is best for growth of his businesses and the economy at large, the poor guy will be voting for someone who will take from kirubi and give the cash to him.
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AlphDoti
#40 Posted : Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:09:57 PM
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Today you guys are speaking a lot of sense... Kudos kina @hardwood and @tokyo and others... I wanted to type that yesterday but I deleted the post... I feared the usual stone throwing from the many learned pple here who have lost sense of education and become sycophants of the system...
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