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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:whiteowl wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
The soul is put in the foetus 4 months after conception i.e. around 120 days.
The precision of the period of time is impressive - but it just tempts me to ask - is there a test that was conducted to come up with this assertion? why not 3months or 5 months? Im also waiting for the answer  @masukums, the foetus makes voluntary movements the moment a soul is put in it. I challenge you to carry out a test and you'll come to confirm this, if you're lucky. NOTE: BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THIS WILL NOT BE DISPROVED. Ibn Masud narrated that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said:
For every one of you, the components of his creation are gathered together in the mother's womb for a period of forty days. Then he will remain for two more periods of the same length, after which the angel is sent and insufflates the spirit into him. [Hadith received by al-Bukhari and Muslim]After first 40 days: components gather together After next 40 days: components develop further After next 40 days: soul is put and becomes voluntary movts so... if movement is mark of voluntary movements - what about that of a rat? on the quotation from some random arabic speakers from 1400 @masukuma, yes even the rat has one. A different kind of soul from that of humans. I told you before ( i guess you didn't read the last statement in this post (Quran 81:5)) that animals, including your rat, will be alive and gathered on the Day of Judgement like humans. If they have no soul this action will be meaningless. You didn't think beyond that, right? And this is mentioned in the Quran says: And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. [Quran 6:38] what about amoeba? shall it be gathered? @masukuma, how big is our universe? Is it possible that from a far distance, is it possible that you look like a a bacteria and someone sitting 92.96 million miles away may have to look through microscopes to locate you? Do you think if that person is discovering you for the first time might think you are unintelligent being, with simple purposes of attacking vegetation and animals and drinking water and emitting industrial gases etc making the earth sick (drought, pollution etc), the same way we see bacteria attacking body cells? so... will Amoeba be gathered? what happens to the children who die after your BS period of time? will they be gathered? what about the crunchy chicks in balut? @masukuma, the question I was trying to pose to you is: If this is possible to gather you, I don't think anyone can rightfully consider it impossible that amoeba could be just like us if you look from a far distance. So yes, every creature will be gathered. What is "crunchy chicks in balut"?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Anti_Burglar wrote:I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe. Hahahah @Anti_Burglar why are you calling on Wakanyugi, Tycho, Maskums... Whatis wrong with you? Where is your passion? I have said here again and again that ask me a question... The same is open for you as well, coz we are discussing "science" of resurrection...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe. he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way   Crunchy!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:... he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! @masukuma, I don't know what "balut" is. I guess you are referring to prophets when you say "some guys from long ago". Let me give you a small dose of that "stuff". There are alot of things which the scientists of today DO NOT understand yet. Some scientific facts have only became understood in the 19th and 20th century. One of them is embryology. And all along, for over 1,400 years embryology was already written in a Book ( from long ago ) and the scientists now confirmed what the book says in this subject. Many scientists have said that they believe what is written in the BOOK is accurate according to present knowledge. A knowledge which was not available to scientists until recent centuries. And maybe in another 50 or 100 years to come (we won't be here), the Embryologists of that day will confirm more verses. So it is not just "believing", but it is facts. How is that for good 'stuff'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:... he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! @masukuma, I don't know what "balut" is. I guess you are referring to prophets when you say "some guys from long ago". Let me give you a small dose of that "stuff". There are alot of things which the scientists of today DO NOT understand yet. Some scientific facts have only became understood in the 19th and 20th century. One of them is embryology. And all along, for over 1,400 years embryology was already written in a Book ( from long ago ) and the scientists now confirmed what the book says in this subject. Many scientists have said that they believe what is written in the BOOK is accurate according to present knowledge. A knowledge which was not available to scientists until recent centuries. And maybe in another 50 or 100 years to come (we won't be here), the Embryologists of that day will confirm more verses. So it is not just "believing", but it is facts. How is that for good 'stuff'? the was a guy called Nostradamus - he used to write 'stuff'... here is the thing he wrote many many things as predictions, he wrote these things in a vague manner and what happened is people would read through his prophesies and subjectively apply them on current affairs and as soon as something occurred they went back to the writings and interpreted them to the current situation. I believe the word for that is pareidolia! looking at something subjectively looking for stuff. So that happens with all tomes from long ago. We subjectively apply what we have learnt on the writings and say... YOU SEE! THEY KNEW ABOUT IT! Do you think hindus follow the Gita coz it's just from long ago? they are like a billion people believing that thing - they can apply it to today's reality. So you also are not alone. but i really didn't want to go here coz I wanted to stick to FACTS... TESTABLE FACTS and not what some camel riding persons from long ago proposed as the position on things they didn't understand. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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There is no resurrection day / there will be no resurrection!!! You die once and that is it. Even RIP is useless terminology to appease the living. Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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More Answers HERE!Season II Ep 09 - "Can We Live Forever?" Season III Ep 06 - "Can We Resurrect The Dead?" Season III Ep 10 - "Did We Invent God?" Season IV Ep 01 - "Is There a God Particle?" Season IV Ep 02 - "When Does Life Begin?" Season V Ep 01 - "Is God an Alien Concept?" Season V Ep 08 - "Will We Become God?" This is a must own documentary. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@AlphDoti, I have another question: when Mohammed the prophet was in the cave, was he visited by Jibril? How did he know it was Jibril?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Please, any Christian around: at the mountain, did Moses pay Jesus a visit? How did the disciples, or the writers of the gospels know it was in fact Moses?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, I have another question: when Mohammed the prophet was in the cave, was he visited by Jibril? How did he know it was Jibril? The one thing that we need to understand is that he was in a cave ALONE and he said he was visited by that Jibril fellow. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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tycho wrote:Please, any Christian around: at the mountain, did Moses pay Jesus a visit? How did the disciples, or the writers of the gospels know it was in fact Moses? I strongly urge those Christians you are begging not to even consider your request. Stay away from this place!! If you come here you just will regret a lot and you will not achieve anything. Tycho should handle Alphdoti without any diversions and he should desist from any sideshows.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe. he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! Just say it if it is the truth. I did not see any insult.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe. he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! Just say it if it is the truth. I did not see any insult. it's the truth because I don't want to demean his beliefs or go into the trenches coz it will get dismissive and insultive on his religion. so let's just stick to facts. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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Mtu Biz wrote:Much Know wrote:Do not mistake the “begwoook” of a chicken for thinking, even a machine can be made to respond in the same way after a beating, all about messages fired to various muscles from various parts of brain e.t.c, in other words in tychos “simulation”, we can conclude chicken are just like machines in the “video game”, for the use of the character “man”, for entertainment and eating, kuku fry,  today we can make much more intelligent machines than chicken, and some that do things better than man, and they don’t care about ‘heaven’ for sure, and never will, they are ATHIEST like the chicken, dogs, pigs etc, i dont think tychos "scientist" will resurrect chicken either, he can tell us. Just speaking for the farmers, this idea of "chicken heaven" is to me extremely "weird thinking" even to a Christian as the purpose of animals is very clear there, what has a "soul" is clear from the start, maybe some other "religion", "my mother my god" like outdated Oedipus theory Freudian loaded 'intellectual' nonsense! Sijui "new earth" vitu kama hizo, the humblest fellow in Bible, Jesus, ate fish happily, multiplied by thousands for more to eat, he said heaven is for man, all good people in bible eat meat, but they still argue, i think i will avoid some threads in future, am sure even many little kids know there is nothing like "chicken heaven". Be careful with some of this Babylonian ideas! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:tycho wrote:Please, any Christian around: at the mountain, did Moses pay Jesus a visit? How did the disciples, or the writers of the gospels know it was in fact Moses? I strongly urge those Christians you are begging not to even consider your request. Stay away from this place!! If you come here you just will regret a lot and you will not achieve anything. Tycho should handle Alphdoti without any diversions and he should desist from any sideshows. This also happens to be a valid response to my question.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:... he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! @masukuma, I don't know what "balut" is. I guess you are referring to prophets when you say "some guys from long ago". Let me give you a small dose of that "stuff". There are alot of things which the scientists of today DO NOT understand yet. Some scientific facts have only became understood in the 19th and 20th century. One of them is embryology. And all along, for over 1,400 years embryology was already written in a Book ( from long ago ) and the scientists now confirmed what the book says in this subject. Many scientists have said that they believe what is written in the BOOK is accurate according to present knowledge. A knowledge which was not available to scientists until recent centuries. And maybe in another 50 or 100 years to come (we won't be here), the Embryologists of that day will confirm more verses. So it is not just "believing", but it is facts. How is that for good 'stuff'? ...but i really didn't want to go here coz I wanted to stick to FACTS... TESTABLE FACTS and not what some camel riding persons from long ago proposed as the position on things they didn't understand. Many scientists have said that they believe what is written in the BOOK brought by camel rider is accurate according to present knowledge. A knowledge which was not available to scientists until recent centuries. Now that's a fact. Embryology is a fact.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:I have been watchingn and now I have to say something. I find it disturbing how Alphdoti is being slippery around our revered thinkers and they cannot pin him down even in one lousy point.
Wakanyugi, like an enzyme, has confessed he is not active on Alphdoti's substrate while Tycho is still 'preparing a response' whatever that means and Maskums is asking about amoebas .... C'mon guys, bana. Is it a slow day or what?
Where is the passion, the fire with which you have scorched believers and they ran back to their gods in tears weeping at the rought treatment you meted to them?
hehehehe. he has quote some guys from long ago who believed the heart was the seat of emotions <-- you cannot argue with that without insulting the chaps who believe that 'stuff' ( did you see how i skillfully avoided writing B.S. coz i don't want to insult anyone?) @alph, Balut ni hizi by the way Crunchy!! Just say it if it is the truth. I did not see any insult. it's the truth because I don't want to demean his beliefs or go into the trenches coz it will get dismissive and insultive on his religion. so let's just stick to facts. I have not seen a single fact you have written in this thread...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, I have another question: when Mohammed the prophet was in the cave, was he visited by Jibril? How did he know it was Jibril? The one thing that we need to understand is that he was in a cave ALONE and he said he was visited by that Jibril fellow. @masukuma, being in cave alone or not disproves nothing. @tycho, first, the history and science bears testimony that it was angel Jibril (Gabriel) who visited the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w at the cave. Secondly, the message from this angel from Allah proves it further: " Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions." [Quran 4:82] Thirdly, the magnificent and extremely beautiful wording and style of the Qur'an prove that the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w was not the source of revelation, but rather in direct contact with the Creator of the world through angel Jibril (Gabriel).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, I have another question: when Mohammed the prophet was in the cave, was he visited by Jibril? How did he know it was Jibril? The one thing that we need to understand is that he was in a cave ALONE and he said he was visited by that Jibril fellow. @masukuma, being in cave alone or not disproves nothing. @tycho, first, the history and science bears testimony that it was angel Jibril (Gabriel) who visited the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w at the cave. Secondly, the message from this angel from Allah proves it further: " Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions." [Quran 4:82] Thirdly, the magnificent and extremely beautiful wording and style of the Qur'an prove that the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w was not the source of revelation, but rather in direct contact with the Creator of the world through angel Jibril (Gabriel). the interesting thing is that it was written by one man over a period of 23 years? by one guy? hmmm... indeed! secondly... the argument that the veracity of the book is to be proved by a statement in the book itself is what we call a homunculus argument! one that infinitely regresses and is therefore not fit for argument. Anyway this arguement is pointless as it has been had a gazzilion times and i don't want to make it +1 times more  better stick to the facts... testable facts going forward. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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