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Equity Group FY 2015 profit before tax up 7%
watesh
#61 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 9:55:18 PM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mulla wrote:
Fetero wrote:
James Mwangi is 1st pouring praises to the ONLY BEST asset owned by equity that never gets an entry in balance sheet. #His Employees!!!

Most of his employees don't share the same sentiments...at least the ones I have interacted with.
Still KCB rules with PBT up 12%

1. Mwangi is full of praise for those employees whose skills are necessary in this day & age. Tellers are a dime a dozen and being phased out by Mobile Banking, agents and ATMs.
2. Pay for performance. Those who complain should quit. Mwangi isn't forcing them to remain at Equity.
3. His top management is accomplished. Look at how Equitel has taken on Safaricom despite the roadblocks from Safaricom's lobbying and lawsuits.

James Mwangi is a legend.


Am still trying to locate the impact of Equitel in FY's results


Lemme interject:
Interest income
KCB - 39.2bn +3.3bn
Equity - 34.1bn +4.9bn

Non interest income
KCB - 19.78bn +0.55bn
Equity - 21.9bn +3.4bn

Total income
KCB - 59.02bn +3.84bn
Equity - 56.1bn +8.bn

Costs are equal at 32bn
KCB had a tax credit this year, Equity last year had a capital gain from sale of HF shares which was a one off. Equity had a significant one off IT cost this year.
If you want higher numbers go for KCB, if you want higher diversified growth go for Equity.I think growing non-interest income is much important than the volatile interest income

One more thing, Equitel contributes in interest income...an average of 1.5bn loans issued every month. Average interest rate is 5% so almost 1bn in interest income in 12 months assuming flat growth
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#62 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 12:29:52 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mulla wrote:
Fetero wrote:
James Mwangi is 1st pouring praises to the ONLY BEST asset owned by equity that never gets an entry in balance sheet. #His Employees!!!

Most of his employees don't share the same sentiments...at least the ones I have interacted with.
Still KCB rules with PBT up 12%

1. Mwangi is full of praise for those employees whose skills are necessary in this day & age. Tellers are a dime a dozen and being phased out by Mobile Banking, agents and ATMs.
2. Pay for performance. Those who complain should quit. Mwangi isn't forcing them to remain at Equity.
3. His top management is accomplished. Look at how Equitel has taken on Safaricom despite the roadblocks from Safaricom's lobbying and lawsuits.

James Mwangi is a legend.


Word on the street is that the employees have been 'looked at' this year.
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VituVingiSana
#63 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 1:40:55 AM
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To add to @watesh - Equitel has REDUCED the cost of transactions by reducing the need for branches [660 staff have left], ATMs and agents.

In a (past) presentation, JM said the cost increases from mobile/internet to agents to ATMs to branches.

Branches will become Sales Points not 'transaction' points.

Equitel is going to add services to the menu. Plus expansion within new markets e.g. DRC will be driven by mobile banking. He said Equitel transactions were up 1,000% and can only grow in number & value thus reducing the need for (expensive fixed-cost) branches.

If his presentation is online, watch it. JM is a man on a mission!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
murchr
#64 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:28:38 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
To add to @watesh - Equitel has REDUCED the cost of transactions by reducing the need for branches [660 staff have left], ATMs and agents.

In a (past) presentation, JM said the cost increases from mobile/internet to agents to ATMs to branches.

Branches will become Sales Points not 'transaction' points.

Equitel is going to add services to the menu. Plus expansion within new markets e.g. DRC will be driven by mobile banking. He said Equitel transactions were up 1,000% and can only grow in number & value thus reducing the need for (expensive fixed-cost) branches.

If his presentation is online, watch it. JM is a man on a mission!


VVS thats the future of banking, more technology less paper, brick and mortar. That said, KCB is reaping the same fruits except for transaction charges that the user pays to Safaricom, for Equitel...these charges are subsidized or non-existent right?
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VituVingiSana
#65 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:57:48 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
To add to @watesh - Equitel has REDUCED the cost of transactions by reducing the need for branches [660 staff have left], ATMs and agents.

In a (past) presentation, JM said the cost increases from mobile/internet to agents to ATMs to branches.

Branches will become Sales Points not 'transaction' points.

Equitel is going to add services to the menu. Plus expansion within new markets e.g. DRC will be driven by mobile banking. He said Equitel transactions were up 1,000% and can only grow in number & value thus reducing the need for (expensive fixed-cost) branches.

If his presentation is online, watch it. JM is a man on a mission!


VVS thats the future of banking, more technology less paper, brick and mortar. That said, KCB is reaping the same fruits except for transaction charges that the user pays to Safaricom, for Equitel...these charges are subsidized or non-existent right?


2-3 years ago, Mwangi made a presentation where he lambasted Safaricom for charging an arm & a leg for USSD. Some @Wazuan argued with me that a transaction cannot cost 100/- [I did a series a transactions & was charged about 100/-] and I have stopped arguing with folks who insist they are right when I know what I paid.

Anyway, since then Equity went with Airtel and pays Airtel "per use" at a much lower rate. So yes, it seems Equity does subsidize Equitel but that's not a bad thing as it lowers costs of transactions for both customers [loyalty] and Equity [which can push volumes & new business].

The bigger picture is using Equitel to expand into EAC. Compare the profitability of Equity's subsidiaries vs KCB.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 1:31:14 PM
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murchr
#67 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:17:38 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
To add to @watesh - Equitel has REDUCED the cost of transactions by reducing the need for branches [660 staff have left], ATMs and agents.

In a (past) presentation, JM said the cost increases from mobile/internet to agents to ATMs to branches.

Branches will become Sales Points not 'transaction' points.

Equitel is going to add services to the menu. Plus expansion within new markets e.g. DRC will be driven by mobile banking. He said Equitel transactions were up 1,000% and can only grow in number & value thus reducing the need for (expensive fixed-cost) branches.

If his presentation is online, watch it. JM is a man on a mission!


VVS thats the future of banking, more technology less paper, brick and mortar. That said, KCB is reaping the same fruits except for transaction charges that the user pays to Safaricom, for Equitel...these charges are subsidized or non-existent right?


2-3 years ago, Mwangi made a presentation where he lambasted Safaricom for charging an arm & a leg for USSD. Some @Wazuan argued with me that a transaction cannot cost 100/- [I did a series a transactions & was charged about 100/-] and I have stopped arguing with folks who insist they are right when I know what I paid.

Anyway, since then Equity went with Airtel and pays Airtel "per use" at a much lower rate. So yes, it seems Equity does subsidize Equitel but that's not a bad thing as it lowers costs of transactions for both customers [loyalty] and Equity [which can push volumes & new business].

The bigger picture is using Equitel to expand into EAC. Compare the profitability of Equity's subsidiaries vs KCB.


He still pays Safaricom because there are die hard Mpesa users who dont want anything to do with the thin sim.

Curious tho, he did not mention the success rate of loan repayment.
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Aguytrying
#68 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:37:26 PM
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Im lifting my buy price maximum of equity to 35.00 from 33.00. They are paying a higher dividend (total sum) than KCB yet their profits are less by 2B. KCB dividend growth has stagnated allowing equity to catch up. The numbers don't lie. NO wonder the market prices them at the same per share value. KCB Thanks to the scrip dividend share, will see its PE diluted if even slighlty. I long for the day the outstanding shares for the 2 will be the same to allow head to head competition by the market.

You just gotta love equity bank and the owner/ major shareholder running the show. I notice Equity does not appear in the highest paid CEO's list despite high profits and very high growth over the years. That is very shareholder friendly. Worryingly HFCK appears and so does britam. These could be non useful observations, however, they are facts that need to be considered when making investments. HFCK ceo earns the same as KCB CEO 4.9m per month. HFCK PAT= 1B KCB PAT=20B

Note that Britams gets earnings from HFCK in form of dividends, which inturn in addition to their other sources allows them to pay themselves highly.

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VituVingiSana
#69 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:59:03 PM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
To add to @watesh - Equitel has REDUCED the cost of transactions by reducing the need for branches [660 staff have left], ATMs and agents.

In a (past) presentation, JM said the cost increases from mobile/internet to agents to ATMs to branches.

Branches will become Sales Points not 'transaction' points.

Equitel is going to add services to the menu. Plus expansion within new markets e.g. DRC will be driven by mobile banking. He said Equitel transactions were up 1,000% and can only grow in number & value thus reducing the need for (expensive fixed-cost) branches.

If his presentation is online, watch it. JM is a man on a mission!


VVS thats the future of banking, more technology less paper, brick and mortar. That said, KCB is reaping the same fruits except for transaction charges that the user pays to Safaricom, for Equitel...these charges are subsidized or non-existent right?


2-3 years ago, Mwangi made a presentation where he lambasted Safaricom for charging an arm & a leg for USSD. Some @Wazuan argued with me that a transaction cannot cost 100/- [I did a series a transactions & was charged about 100/-] and I have stopped arguing with folks who insist they are right when I know what I paid.

Anyway, since then Equity went with Airtel and pays Airtel "per use" at a much lower rate. So yes, it seems Equity does subsidize Equitel but that's not a bad thing as it lowers costs of transactions for both customers [loyalty] and Equity [which can push volumes & new business].

The bigger picture is using Equitel to expand into EAC. Compare the profitability of Equity's subsidiaries vs KCB.


He still pays Safaricom because there are die hard Mpesa users who dont want anything to do with the thin sim.

Curious tho, he did not mention the success rate of loan repayment.

Those who use M-Pesa are charged, as I understand it, but its free for Equitel users. NPLs at less than 4% for 2015 and expected to be less than 3% in 2016 is what he said for 2016.
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VituVingiSana
#70 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:01:38 AM
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How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 1B [HFCK]?
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 20B [KCB]?
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Aguytrying
#71 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:24:27 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 1B [HFCK]? directors emoluments 19.6 M
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 20B [KCB]?
directors emoluments 262 M
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 17B [EQUITY]?
Directors emoluments 58.7 M


For HFCK not bad. But the difference between KCB and Equity is significant.
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VituVingiSana
#72 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:33:02 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 1B [HFCK]? directors emoluments 19.6 M
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 20B [KCB]?
directors emoluments 262 M
How much does it cost in executive [all of them combined] pay to earn 17B [EQUITY]?
Directors emoluments 58.7 M


For HFCK not bad. But the difference between KCB and Equity is significant.

That's the point I wanted to make.
The pay/compensation for HFCK executives (per Billion of PAT) may not be as high as it seems at first glance vs KCB but there are numbers we might not have available to us.

And at Equity the value seems much higher i.e. the cost per Billion is lower.
That said, I think the TOTAL pay/compensation for execs is much higher than stated above. I know Equity has a full C-Suite who aren't on the board [Mwangi + Wamae] but "directors" [high level execs] eg Staley, Hukai, Singh, Nora, Shah, etc. [Nyakera left to become a PS].
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#73 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:34:39 AM
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#74 Posted : Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:48:44 PM
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Equitel in Numbers. Good stuff!
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#75 Posted : Friday, March 11, 2016 10:20:49 PM
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Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!
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#76 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:34:48 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!


If Equity employees can't take up the agency banking opportunity they risk being irrelevant because technology has inevitably stormed their job strongholds stirring up panic across all sectors. The modern global developments have called for ingenuity, innovation and creativity in order for an individual to keep in tandem to rapid technological changes. ...and most significantly you have to be originally unique and versatile to attract customers to your brand.
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#77 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:21:51 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!


Having previously worked in a banking Hall i understand their plight. As much is its true that "if you don't accept change ,then the same change will change you" , I feel for them.

The change is coming and they have to adopt the change . These are employees that have been lured to "bank employee products" like mortgage at 4% , personally loan ,car loans and all these incentives at that rate .Then ask the question ,what are they going to do after they are regarded as redundant ?who will they pay for their houses , what will be the social stigma after they are jobless?

Equity should put a human face and find something to do for these employees but the sad thing is that they can't absorb all of them to different departments . Even the same manager who talked to you its a matter of time till when she will lose her job too.start with the small fish then work your way up to the big one . She should also start thinking otherwise too.

Employees cost is what eats the PBT AND PAT Of banks books. If they can find a way to minimize the two then Memba bank will be the in thing in banking sector in kenya . That Mwangi guy is a very talented leader .for me I'll keep adding my stake in this stock. They are constantly innovative , moving , motongorias (leaders ) .
murchr
#78 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:12:19 PM
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enyands wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!


Having previously worked in a banking Hall i understand their plight. As much is its true that "if you don't accept change ,then the same change will change you" , I feel for them.

The change is coming and they have to adopt the change . These are employees that have been lured to "bank employee products" like mortgage at 4% , personally loan ,car loans and all these incentives at that rate .Then ask the question ,what are they going to do after they are regarded as redundant ?who will they pay for their houses , what will be the social stigma after they are jobless?

Equity should put a human face and find something to do for these employees but the sad thing is that they can't absorb all of them to different departments . Even the same manager who talked to you its a matter of time till when she will lose her job too.start with the small fish then work your way up to the big one . She should also start thinking otherwise too.

Employees cost is what eats the PBT AND PAT Of banks books. If they can find a way to minimize the two then Memba bank will be the in thing in banking sector in kenya . That Mwangi guy is a very talented leader .for me I'll keep adding my stake in this stock. They are constantly innovative , moving , motongorias (leaders ) .


Those who dont take up agency or advance their skills, will perish. They will either become farmers or venture in other SME opportunities.

I think given that these banking hall people were mostly rude and slacking, let the job become redundant.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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#79 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:15:51 PM
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murchr wrote:
enyands wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!


Having previously worked in a banking Hall i understand their plight. As much is its true that "if you don't accept change ,then the same change will change you" , I feel for them.

The change is coming and they have to adopt the change . These are employees that have been lured to "bank employee products" like mortgage at 4% , personally loan ,car loans and all these incentives at that rate .Then ask the question ,what are they going to do after they are regarded as redundant ?who will they pay for their houses , what will be the social stigma after they are jobless?

Equity should put a human face and find something to do for these employees but the sad thing is that they can't absorb all of them to different departments . Even the same manager who talked to you its a matter of time till when she will lose her job too.start with the small fish then work your way up to the big one . She should also start thinking otherwise too.

Employees cost is what eats the PBT AND PAT Of banks books. If they can find a way to minimize the two then Memba bank will be the in thing in banking sector in kenya . That Mwangi guy is a very talented leader .for me I'll keep adding my stake in this stock. They are constantly innovative , moving , motongorias (leaders ) .


Those who dont take up agency or advance their skills, will perish. They will either become farmers or venture in other SME opportunities.

I think given that these banking hall people were mostly rude and slacking, let the job become redundant.


They need to reskill themselves
murchr
#80 Posted : Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:24:05 PM
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enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
enyands wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Yesterday i went to an equity branch to transact over the counter. The queue was long. One of the managers came and to my satisfaction he really educated/lectured queuing customers. There were only 2 tellers and he promised soon it'll be 1 teller. He emphasized on them adopting technology and encouraged use of Equitel,ATM,Agents in transacting to save time and De-congest banking halls. He was mad at the youths who say are digital yet queuing.Further he justified the three to be cost efficient. He asked one customer where he had come from,the manager then calculated for him fare paid to and fro and the time wasted to come and deposit 2k only yet the same would have been done at the nearest agent. Civil education is important. Equity employees you better begin thinking of becoming an agent!


Having previously worked in a banking Hall i understand their plight. As much is its true that "if you don't accept change ,then the same change will change you" , I feel for them.

The change is coming and they have to adopt the change . These are employees that have been lured to "bank employee products" like mortgage at 4% , personally loan ,car loans and all these incentives at that rate .Then ask the question ,what are they going to do after they are regarded as redundant ?who will they pay for their houses , what will be the social stigma after they are jobless?

Equity should put a human face and find something to do for these employees but the sad thing is that they can't absorb all of them to different departments . Even the same manager who talked to you its a matter of time till when she will lose her job too.start with the small fish then work your way up to the big one . She should also start thinking otherwise too.

Employees cost is what eats the PBT AND PAT Of banks books. If they can find a way to minimize the two then Memba bank will be the in thing in banking sector in kenya . That Mwangi guy is a very talented leader .for me I'll keep adding my stake in this stock. They are constantly innovative , moving , motongorias (leaders ) .


Those who dont take up agency or advance their skills, will perish. They will either become farmers or venture in other SME opportunities.

I think given that these banking hall people were mostly rude and slacking, let the job become redundant.


They need to reskill themselves


Yes, most of them will transition to sell bank products (accounts, mortgages insurance etc etc) The hot cake employee now will be the IT guy who will be maintaining systems and analyzing data. Companies that offer data and cloud services (Safcom, airtel, Jamii, Liquid Telecom etc etc) are already and will expand business. Big data is the new big thing.
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