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murchr
#31 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:56:43 PM
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newfarer wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
newfarer wrote:
Was shocked this holiday to meet a class 7 kid. Who cant read a preschool basic English sound book. In our time we would be talking of a murder case, murderer being the English teacher.


don't be surprised, KNUT busy fighting for higher salos when teacher absenteeism is said to be as high as 70% in some places.

Absenteeism, low morale, teachers making ends meet in other ventures after being shortchanged and intimidated by government. The government thought it was winning lakini the children are the losers

Teachers ought to be paid what they've fought for then we demand results.


Teachers are paid well, just like the other public servants.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#32 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 5:00:36 PM
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What sitaki is trying to advocate is just good on talk but impraticle. If all teachers are trained in the same Teachers Training Colleges, TSC supposedly employs the best, apart from a classroom number what difference is there for a child who went to a public sch in the urban area and that who went to a private sch?

I would take exception on boarding schools but in terms of resources, those two schools are at par the only difference is the classroom number
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sitaki.kujulikana
#33 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 6:49:07 PM
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murchr wrote:
What sitaki is trying to advocate is just good on talk but impraticle. If all teachers are trained in the same Teachers Training Colleges, TSC supposedly employs the best, apart from a classroom number what difference is there for a child who went to a public sch in the urban area and that who went to a private sch?

I would take exception on boarding schools but in terms of resources, those two schools are at par the only difference is the classroom number

As you mention the teacher student ratio is apparently different, but I think I got my comparison wrong then, its more of kids who have great resources vs those who do not. I guess the classic example is the kid in the urban area vs one in the rural area.

But as I mentioned I am not advocating for parents to be forced to take their kids to the public schools in rural areas, nor do we choose where we are born, all I am saying is that, secondary education should be a basic need and as such categorizing kids based on the kcpe exam is flawed since some are way better in terms of resources available in preparation for the same.

If we need public funded centers of excellence it should be based on the standardized IQ tests, that way most academically gifted kids get a chance.

But I think if we really wanted we can make sure all public primary schools have corresponding secondary school component and as many kids as possible enjoy secondary education, without classifying them on what they scored in a single test.

I mean this national schools thing is a colonial relic.
nakujua
#34 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:07:37 PM
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kanu turned our education system into a game - a competition. sasa we are a country addicted to exams. We are literary shaping the future lives of our 13/14 year olds based on a single exam.
murchr
#35 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:23:28 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
What sitaki is trying to advocate is just good on talk but impraticle. If all teachers are trained in the same Teachers Training Colleges, TSC supposedly employs the best, apart from a classroom number what difference is there for a child who went to a public sch in the urban area and that who went to a private sch?

I would take exception on boarding schools but in terms of resources, those two schools are at par the only difference is the classroom number

As you mention the teacher student ratio is apparently different, but I think I got my comparison wrong then, its more of kids who have great resources vs those who do not. I guess the classic example is the kid in the urban area vs one in the rural area.

But as I mentioned I am not advocating for parents to be forced to take their kids to the public schools in rural areas, nor do we choose where we are born, all I am saying is that, secondary education should be a basic need and as such categorizing kids based on the kcpe exam is flawed since some are way better in terms of resources available in preparation for the same.

If we need public funded centers of excellence it should be based on the standardized IQ tests, that way most academically gifted kids get a chance.

But I think if we really wanted we can make sure all public primary schools have corresponding secondary school component and as many kids as possible enjoy secondary education, without classifying them on what they scored in a single test.

I mean this national schools thing is a colonial relic.


You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Just look at the data, and you will notice the kids in the public rural areas tend to do well compared to the kids in the urban public schools more so in the city. I should assume the kids in urban public schs have better "resources" than those in the rural areas right?. What are these "resources" in private/urban schools that may not be available in rural public primary schs?

Everywhere in the world, top performers attract the attention from top schools. Have you tried to figure out how it is done elsewhere?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sitaki.kujulikana
#36 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:46:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
What sitaki is trying to advocate is just good on talk but impraticle. If all teachers are trained in the same Teachers Training Colleges, TSC supposedly employs the best, apart from a classroom number what difference is there for a child who went to a public sch in the urban area and that who went to a private sch?

I would take exception on boarding schools but in terms of resources, those two schools are at par the only difference is the classroom number

As you mention the teacher student ratio is apparently different, but I think I got my comparison wrong then, its more of kids who have great resources vs those who do not. I guess the classic example is the kid in the urban area vs one in the rural area.

But as I mentioned I am not advocating for parents to be forced to take their kids to the public schools in rural areas, nor do we choose where we are born, all I am saying is that, secondary education should be a basic need and as such categorizing kids based on the kcpe exam is flawed since some are way better in terms of resources available in preparation for the same.

If we need public funded centers of excellence it should be based on the standardized IQ tests, that way most academically gifted kids get a chance.

But I think if we really wanted we can make sure all public primary schools have corresponding secondary school component and as many kids as possible enjoy secondary education, without classifying them on what they scored in a single test.

I mean this national schools thing is a colonial relic.


You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Just look at the data, and you will notice the kids in the public rural areas tend to do well compared to the kids in the urban public schools more so in the city. I should assume the kids in urban public schs have better "resources" than those in the rural areas right?. What are these "resources" in private/urban schools that may not be available in rural public primary schs?

Everywhere in the world, top performers attract the attention from top schools. Have you tried to figure out how it is done elsewhere?

I dont know what data you have access to, but just looking at the the list (the media and social media is peddling) all the best performers are from the urban areas, bar the boarding schools which might be located in the rural areas.

Even the mean score for the public vs private schools as announced by the cs is in favor of the private schools, now look at the kenya private schools association and get the loation of the private school, almost all are in urban areas.

Are we even discussing that a kid who walks several kilometers to school everyday, and after school has to milk the cows, tend the farm and do other household chores is at the same level resource wise as a kid who lives in a home with electricity, househelps, piped water e.t.c

I have not come across any system especially in the west where kids admission to national high schools is based on a single exam, actually I don't think any well meaning country splits up kids in high school based on an exam, IQ test yes, but a single exam no.
kaka2za
#37 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:46:23 PM
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Some of the comments here are suggestive of Socialism. That horse bolted two decades ago.
We can't be equal but we should be given equal chance to prove how unequal we are.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
sitaki.kujulikana
#38 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:51:20 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Some of the comments here are suggestive of Socialism. That horse bolted two decades ago.
We can't be equal but we should be given equal chance to prove how unequal we are.

I thought public primary education almost everywhere in the world borders on socialist tendencies, even in the mighty capitalistic usa
murchr
#39 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:04:32 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
What sitaki is trying to advocate is just good on talk but impraticle. If all teachers are trained in the same Teachers Training Colleges, TSC supposedly employs the best, apart from a classroom number what difference is there for a child who went to a public sch in the urban area and that who went to a private sch?

I would take exception on boarding schools but in terms of resources, those two schools are at par the only difference is the classroom number

As you mention the teacher student ratio is apparently different, but I think I got my comparison wrong then, its more of kids who have great resources vs those who do not. I guess the classic example is the kid in the urban area vs one in the rural area.

But as I mentioned I am not advocating for parents to be forced to take their kids to the public schools in rural areas, nor do we choose where we are born, all I am saying is that, secondary education should be a basic need and as such categorizing kids based on the kcpe exam is flawed since some are way better in terms of resources available in preparation for the same.

If we need public funded centers of excellence it should be based on the standardized IQ tests, that way most academically gifted kids get a chance.

But I think if we really wanted we can make sure all public primary schools have corresponding secondary school component and as many kids as possible enjoy secondary education, without classifying them on what they scored in a single test.

I mean this national schools thing is a colonial relic.


You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Just look at the data, and you will notice the kids in the public rural areas tend to do well compared to the kids in the urban public schools more so in the city. I should assume the kids in urban public schs have better "resources" than those in the rural areas right?. What are these "resources" in private/urban schools that may not be available in rural public primary schs?

Everywhere in the world, top performers attract the attention from top schools. Have you tried to figure out how it is done elsewhere?

I dont know what data you have access to, but just looking at the the list (the media and social media is peddling) all the best performers are from the urban areas, bar the boarding schools which might be located in the rural areas.

Even the mean score for the public vs private schools as announced by the cs is in favor of the private schools, now look at the kenya private schools association and get the loation of the private school, almost all are in urban areas.

Are we even discussing that a kid who walks several kilometers to school everyday, and after school has to milk the cows, tend the farm and do other household chores is at the same level resource wise as a kid who lives in a home with electricity, househelps, piped water e.t.c


If you are talking about media reports (where parents called reporters to brag about their kids results) then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Those kids who walk to sch and have hse chores also perform very well; they just dont brag and display their results online. Again talk about something you know. There are kids who had everything in those private schools but did not even get half the mark. Performance in primary sch mainly is a reflection of the caliber of teacher the student had and the motivation they receive.

As for secondary sch. There needs for "cut-off points" measures but also there should be consensus. Private schools are stakeholders in the sector andthe kids who choose to go to these schools should not be punished for performing well because after all if they scored the same marks while in public schools they would have made it in those "good national Schools". That said, the govt - both county and national, should equip and upgrade all schools to be of the same status. The private sector too can get involved
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#40 Posted : Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:17:25 PM
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Let me tell you a funny story.

Today I was in Ruaka. As we were driving out of the area, we found a band playing right in the middle of the street. A young girl was being carried shoulder high.

Apparently, the parents were so happy that they had a Boniface moment in the streets of Ruaka. Band and cheerleaders at hand.

Funny thing is that the guy I was with was the best student in the country during his time. He told us how he was only given 10 peremendes by his dad and told to go and tend the cows later.

lol

Come on guys. Stop bragging about your kids.

Life is not about passing exams. One damn exam who's papers we saw the day before the exam.

I'm seriously taking a look at the Bridges Schools for my kids. I want my kids to learn the way we learned during our time. Where the guy who was no.1 was hanging around the guy who was last. And they are still friends.

This boasting about exam results really needs to take a back seat to education.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

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