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PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:PeterReborn wrote:I was reading about how Jesus selected his disciples and got a number of questions.
Why did he select 'normal' people as disciples?I don't know about other religions but why does it seem like the more a person gets educated,the more he loses his faith?Is it why Jesus did not choose university professors as his disciples.
Why do most young people (some of whom were very religious in primary and secondary school level) start losing their faith when they go to the universities?
Why is it that the so called atheists are highly educated and very bright fellows.
One of the social indicators of poverty is the number of churches in an environment.The more the churches the higher the poverty index.Look at kariobangi,baba ndogo,Githurai,kawangware etc.The majority of the residents of these areas are also not highly educated.
Is faith inversely proportional to the level of education?
Is Christianity dying as we become more educated?
Are the above assumptions based on your limited thinking,opinions and observation or they are verifiable facts? You cannot verify faith.In fact if you ask questions you are deemed to have little faith.Faith is believing in something you cannot see. That brings me to my other theory.The main reason why most religions punish you when you leave them is to act as a deterrent measure to prevent other members from leaving that religion.They give you conditions such as you cannot marry someone from a different religion and make you an outcast so that you don't have an independent opinion about your religious beliefs. Faith is verified by 'fire', not simply questions. Fire is inner experience of turmoil and unease. That's why the rich are expected to have problems with entering heaven. Even our resident atheist always reminds us that he eats in expensive restaurants. There's no fire. But not all rich people lack fire. There are many examples even in the Bible. Abraham was rich. Jacob ...
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tycho wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:PeterReborn wrote:I was reading about how Jesus selected his disciples and got a number of questions.
Why did he select 'normal' people as disciples?I don't know about other religions but why does it seem like the more a person gets educated,the more he loses his faith?Is it why Jesus did not choose university professors as his disciples.
Why do most young people (some of whom were very religious in primary and secondary school level) start losing their faith when they go to the universities?
Why is it that the so called atheists are highly educated and very bright fellows.
One of the social indicators of poverty is the number of churches in an environment.The more the churches the higher the poverty index.Look at kariobangi,baba ndogo,Githurai,kawangware etc.The majority of the residents of these areas are also not highly educated.
Is faith inversely proportional to the level of education?
Is Christianity dying as we become more educated?
Are the above assumptions based on your limited thinking,opinions and observation or they are verifiable facts? You cannot verify faith.In fact if you ask questions you are deemed to have little faith.Faith is believing in something you cannot see. That brings me to my other theory.The main reason why most religions punish you when you leave them is to act as a deterrent measure to prevent other members from leaving that religion.They give you conditions such as you cannot marry someone from a different religion and make you an outcast so that you don't have an independent opinion about your religious beliefs. Faith is verified by 'fire', not simply questions. Fire is inner experience of turmoil and unease. That's why the rich are expected to have problems with entering heaven. Even our resident atheist always reminds us that he eats in expensive restaurants. There's no fire. But not all rich people lack fire. There are many examples even in the Bible. Abraham was rich. Jacob ... How then do you measure this fire?How can you have turmoil and unease without asking yourself some critical questions?Why is it that a rich man must lose everything to see the kingdom of God?People like Abraham lost everything including his wife and lying that she was his sister. in Luke 18:22 Jesus says " “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Consistency is better than intensity
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PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:PeterReborn wrote:I was reading about how Jesus selected his disciples and got a number of questions.
Why did he select 'normal' people as disciples?I don't know about other religions but why does it seem like the more a person gets educated,the more he loses his faith?Is it why Jesus did not choose university professors as his disciples.
Why do most young people (some of whom were very religious in primary and secondary school level) start losing their faith when they go to the universities?
Why is it that the so called atheists are highly educated and very bright fellows.
One of the social indicators of poverty is the number of churches in an environment.The more the churches the higher the poverty index.Look at kariobangi,baba ndogo,Githurai,kawangware etc.The majority of the residents of these areas are also not highly educated.
Is faith inversely proportional to the level of education?
Is Christianity dying as we become more educated?
Are the above assumptions based on your limited thinking,opinions and observation or they are verifiable facts? You cannot verify faith.In fact if you ask questions you are deemed to have little faith.Faith is believing in something you cannot see. That brings me to my other theory.The main reason why most religions punish you when you leave them is to act as a deterrent measure to prevent other members from leaving that religion.They give you conditions such as you cannot marry someone from a different religion and make you an outcast so that you don't have an independent opinion about your religious beliefs. So how did you verify that a person who is more educated is likely to lose faith? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:tycho wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:PeterReborn wrote:I was reading about how Jesus selected his disciples and got a number of questions.
Why did he select 'normal' people as disciples?I don't know about other religions but why does it seem like the more a person gets educated,the more he loses his faith?Is it why Jesus did not choose university professors as his disciples.
Why do most young people (some of whom were very religious in primary and secondary school level) start losing their faith when they go to the universities?
Why is it that the so called atheists are highly educated and very bright fellows.
One of the social indicators of poverty is the number of churches in an environment.The more the churches the higher the poverty index.Look at kariobangi,baba ndogo,Githurai,kawangware etc.The majority of the residents of these areas are also not highly educated.
Is faith inversely proportional to the level of education?
Is Christianity dying as we become more educated?
Are the above assumptions based on your limited thinking,opinions and observation or they are verifiable facts? You cannot verify faith.In fact if you ask questions you are deemed to have little faith.Faith is believing in something you cannot see. That brings me to my other theory.The main reason why most religions punish you when you leave them is to act as a deterrent measure to prevent other members from leaving that religion.They give you conditions such as you cannot marry someone from a different religion and make you an outcast so that you don't have an independent opinion about your religious beliefs. Faith is verified by 'fire', not simply questions. Fire is inner experience of turmoil and unease. That's why the rich are expected to have problems with entering heaven. Even our resident atheist always reminds us that he eats in expensive restaurants. There's no fire. But not all rich people lack fire. There are many examples even in the Bible. Abraham was rich. Jacob ... How then do you measure this fire?How can you have turmoil and unease without asking yourself some critical questions?Why is it that a rich man must lose everything to see the kingdom of God?People like Abraham lost everything including his wife and lying that she was his sister. in Luke 18:22 Jesus says " “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” One can ask a difficult question without the urgency of answering it. The measure of urgency is the threat to some highly held value like survival, and level of cognitive dissonance. Some, not all, rich people lose their riches for heaven. But poverty provides some space for fire.
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@PeterReborn all I will say is keep questioning. It is through constantly questioning our situations that we bring progress to this world.
Extend your questions to a global level. Why is religion most concentrated in third world countries? Why is the the most religious group third world women? Add more of your own.
And don't forget to seek the answers to said questions. You will emerge a better man however the exercise goes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The most important thing is to learn asking the right questions, and the right questions stem from a conscious recognition of the self as 'intelligent agent'.
So the right questions are about the self, and how others relate to the self-and vice versa. Otherwise some of these questions we ask are just respectable disguises for idleness.
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Tycho. Kichwa yako inakuwanga mzuri? You always keep rambling and saying things that nobody understands. Even when people ignore you, you still somehow manage to come up with some gibberish that don't make sense. Dude, you don't have to comment on every thread. Sometimes it's good to take a back seat and just watch and learn. Everytime i try to read something constructive, there you are, throwing me off with your nonsense, and by the time i skip reading all your posts, i have to remember what the topic was in the first place. Jesus.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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kysse wrote:I knew hamburglar would be the first one to respond.
Of course. Every time i see religions and imaginary gods getting an ass whooping, i get to that thread in warp speed to add my "words of wisdom" and throw some thinly veiled attacks on religious people.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937
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hamburglar wrote:Tycho. Kichwa yako inakuwanga mzuri? You always keep rambling and saying things that nobody understands. Even when people ignore you, you still somehow manage to come up with some gibberish that don't make sense. Dude, you don't have to comment on every thread. Sometimes it's good to take a back seat and just watch and learn. Everytime i try to read something constructive, there you are, throwing me off with your nonsense, and by the time i skip reading all your posts, i have to remember what the topic was in the first place. Jesus. Jesus Lord  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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hamburglar wrote:Tycho. Kichwa yako inakuwanga mzuri? You always keep rambling and saying things that nobody understands. Even when people ignore you, you still somehow manage to come up with some gibberish that don't make sense. Dude, you don't have to comment on every thread. Sometimes it's good to take a back seat and just watch and learn. Everytime i try to read something constructive, there you are, throwing me off with your nonsense, and by the time i skip reading all your posts, i have to remember what the topic was in the first place. Jesus. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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