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¿		#31 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2015 2:57:18 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604		masukuma wrote: but it's true we know very little about our universe.... we have less than 500 years of proper scientific observations and models on the same - but that is somehow not to be misconstrued to mean that there are 'energy beings' - we know better than that! 'We' also know better than to assume that carbon based life forms(ordinary stuff) are the only life forms in this big universe!
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masukuma		#32 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2015 3:19:39 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		¿ wrote: masukuma wrote: but it's true we know very little about our universe.... we have less than 500 years of proper scientific observations and models on the same - but that is somehow not to be misconstrued to mean that there are 'energy beings' - we know better than that! 'We' also know better than to assume that carbon based life forms(ordinary stuff) are the only life forms in this big universe! I alluded to this sometime back with a random example of nitrogen - we could have multiple manifestations of 'life'. Life that would label what we consider the goldilocks zone of solar systems hostile. That is not out of my realm of accepting as a possibility - nitrogen is matter. We could have silicon based life forms... why not? the chemical properties of carbon are similar to those of Silicon, germanium, tin, and lead! So I can see conditions that complex molecules with say germanium (regardless of it's rarity) would form the basis of life. OK, What is really far strung is beings of energy! The reason we labled the 'dark' energy to be energy is because it behaves like energy. The reason we labeled dark matter that way is because it has properties of matter. your argument of energy beings is relatable to saying - we have a container here... we don't know what is in it... we can shake it, we can tell the size and shape of it - but we don't know anything about it BUT IT COULD BE USED TO MAKE a language similar to the english language (voted by quora as the most complex human invention)! Why? I don't know and so don't you! We can tell by the sound it makes, it's size that it's not in the list of things that would create 'english like languages' could we have creatures/beings made of dark matter - YEAH! can we have creatures made of anti-matter YEAH! can we have creatures made of dark energy... nope! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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¿		#33 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2015 7:05:24 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604		masukuma wrote: ¿ wrote: masukuma wrote: but it's true we know very little about our universe.... we have less than 500 years of proper scientific observations and models on the same - but that is somehow not to be misconstrued to mean that there are 'energy beings' - we know better than that! 'We' also know better than to assume that carbon based life forms(ordinary stuff) are the only life forms in this big universe! I alluded to this sometime back with a random example of nitrogen - we could have multiple manifestations of 'life'. Life that would label what we consider the goldilocks zone of solar systems hostile. That is not out of my realm of accepting as a possibility - nitrogen is matter. We could have silicon based life forms... why not? the chemical properties of carbon are similar to those of Silicon, germanium, tin, and lead! So I can see conditions that complex molecules with say germanium (regardless of it's rarity) would form the basis of life. OK, What is really far strung is beings of energy! The reason we labled the 'dark' energy to be energy is because it behaves like energy. The reason we labeled dark matter that way is because it has properties of matter. your argument of energy beings is relatable to saying - we have a container here... we don't know what is in it... we can shake it, we can tell the size and shape of it - but we don't know anything about it BUT IT COULD BE USED TO MAKE a language similar to the english language (voted by quora as the most complex human invention)! Why? I don't know and so don't you! We can tell by the sound it makes, it's size that it's not in the list of things that would create 'english like languages' could we have creatures/beings made of dark matter - YEAH! can we have creatures made of anti-matter YEAH! can we have creatures made of dark energy... nope! Your argument is that life can't exist beyond the little we know about the vast and mysterious universe.
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harrydre		#34 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2015 8:04:05 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo		So in what form of life is God? Or the force that placed the universe at it's current location. Can't be by chance that objects go round an object in such an organized manner! i.am.back!!!!
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masukuma		#35 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2015 11:42:48 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		¿ wrote: Your argument is that life can't exist beyond the little we know about the vast and mysterious universe. OK... beings of energy we have!!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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¿		#36 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:13:39 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604		masukuma wrote: ¿ wrote: Your argument is that life can't exist beyond the little we know about the vast and mysterious universe. OK... beings of energy we have!!! Science
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masukuma		#37 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:40:36 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		¿ wrote: masukuma wrote: ¿ wrote: Your argument is that life can't exist beyond the little we know about the vast and mysterious universe. OK... beings of energy we have!!! Science yap! Science not guesswork. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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¿		#38 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:48:18 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604		masukuma wrote: ¿ wrote: masukuma wrote: ¿ wrote: Your argument is that life can't exist beyond the little we know about the vast and mysterious universe. OK... beings of energy we have!!! Science yap! Science not guesswork. Yes. The science of guesswork. "Kujaza foolscap sio kupita mtihani."
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Ash Ock		#39 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 9:07:43 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi		Add more confusion to the argument: There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant Hologram Quote: If a friend told you that we were all living in a giant hologram, you’d probably tell him to lay off the kush. But incredibly, physicists across the world are thinking the same thing: That what we perceive to be a three-dimensional universe might just be the image of a two-dimensional one, projected across a massive cosmic horizon. Yes, it sounds more than a little insane. The 3D nature of our world is as fundamental to our sense of reality as the fact that time runs forward. And yet some researchers believe that contradictions between Einstein’s theory of relativity and quantum mechanics might be reconciled if every three-dimensional object we know and cherish is a projection of tiny, subatomic bytes of information stored in a two-dimensional Flatland. “If this is true, it’s a really important insight,” Daniel Grumiller, a theoretical physicist at the Vienna University of Technology, told me over the phone. Grumiller, along with physicists Max Riegler, Arjun Bagchi and Rudranil Basu, recently published the very first study offering evidence that the so-called “holographic principle”—that certain 3D spaces can be mathematically reduced to 2D projections—might describe our universe. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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tycho		#40 Posted : Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:46:17 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		@masukuma, it's not only possible to have a being comprising of energy alone, but such a being exists. Apparently, this universe allows for such beings. Secondly, I'd like to remind 'us' the limits of science. When we say 'science' we mean a method of knowing operating within a paradigm or a method of knowing working to create a paradigm or changing a paradigm. Paradigms are social and philosophical creations and apparently, they have their own psychologies. In our present discussion we need to bear this in mind.
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