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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. Is the subjection the cause or the effect? Either cause or effect, both cause and effect, neither cause nor effect, and probably all of these or none of them. I am interested in the either or. It will be good to also know the other conditions while at it. Which one is it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. Is the subjection the cause or the effect? Either cause or effect, both cause and effect, neither cause nor effect, and probably all of these or none of them. I am interested in the either or. It will be good to also know the other conditions while at it. Which one is it? Choosing one is a matter of social interest and the reality one wishes to create.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. In a timeless Universe there can be no cause and effect. Everything that can ever BE, already IS. What we have is simply REVELATION, namely a process by which we apprehend and internalize different things and events that already exist (in other words 'create' them anew in our experience). This revelation process is conditioned on: a) a three dimensional reality, in which we have inserted the illusion of time (thus the erroneous perception of cause and effect etc) b) the limitations of the human Earth instrument (the body) with its sensory tools etc that simply limit how much experience we can process and c) the terms of our Earth walk, which require, for instance, that we handicap ourselves, say, by deliberately suppressing much of what we already know so as not to interfere with our 'learning' experience on Earth Is the universe currently timeless? What's the universe?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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mv_ufanisi wrote:digitek1 wrote:Jews are disproportionately richer than any other religion and they are very religious as a simple Google search of wealth vs religion shows
capitalism also owes it's spread to the Protestant work ethic
What's the GDP per capita of Israel an almost entirely Jewish country? Not among the top 10 highest in the world. Christians like to tout Jewish exceptionalism as some kind of "god-given" trait while Muslims probably see the oil wealth of the middle east as some evidence of "super-natural" providence. Fuzzy statistics to confuse those who don't cross check stats. a resident of Israel is an Israeli. ..A follower of the Jewish faith is a jew... I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:Culture plays a huge role in making an ethnic group standout from others. Most rich Jews are irreligious they are quite atheistic in nature. Being Jewish is like being a luo or a kyuk.last time I checked...most of all those listed as Jews above are non practising and Israel is 42% irreligious ooh so rothschild is now a like a kiuk? pleez irreligious isn't the same as atheism I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. Is the subjection the cause or the effect? Either cause or effect, both cause and effect, neither cause nor effect, and probably all of these or none of them. I am interested in the either or. It will be good to also know the other conditions while at it. Which one is it? Choosing one is a matter of social interest and the reality one wishes to create. Let's create one.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. In a timeless Universe there can be no cause and effect. Everything that can ever BE, already IS. What we have is simply REVELATION, namely a process by which we apprehend and internalize different things and events that already exist (in other words 'create' them anew in our experience). This revelation process is conditioned on: a) a three dimensional reality, in which we have inserted the illusion of time (thus the erroneous perception of cause and effect etc) b) the limitations of the human Earth instrument (the body) with its sensory tools etc that simply limit how much experience we can process and c) the terms of our Earth walk, which require, for instance, that we handicap ourselves, say, by deliberately suppressing much of what we already know so as not to interfere with our 'learning' experience on Earth Is the universe currently timeless? What's the universe? Yes. Wakanyugi?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. In a timeless Universe there can be no cause and effect. Everything that can ever BE, already IS. What we have is simply REVELATION, namely a process by which we apprehend and internalize different things and events that already exist (in other words 'create' them anew in our experience). This revelation process is conditioned on: a) a three dimensional reality, in which we have inserted the illusion of time (thus the erroneous perception of cause and effect etc) b) the limitations of the human Earth instrument (the body) with its sensory tools etc that simply limit how much experience we can process and c) the terms of our Earth walk, which require, for instance, that we handicap ourselves, say, by deliberately suppressing much of what we already know so as not to interfere with our 'learning' experience on Earth Is the universe currently timeless? I think it is. One of the accepted definitions of the Universe says that it contains everything that could possibly exist (Quantum physics, not Metaphysics). This includes all permutations of all things in all forms. In such a scenario, nothing came before anything else. Everything simply IS. The need to order things in linear form is a convention forced on humans by the need to overcome the limitations of 'living' in a 3 dimensional reality. It is no more real than space or gravity, for instance. No time. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Caramba wrote:Back to the title of this thread, used to think that crime does not pay.
Some dude is just about to collect 11billion from some hospital deal.
Crime does seem to pay. Just like, rarely does any good deed go unpunished. But then again, no man escapes himself. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If you know something to be true or not true then the knowledge is most likely obsolete. How does this fit in the cause-and-effect scheme of things? Assuming that the cause and effect model is valid - there are grounds for skepticism - the instance of knowledge is subjected to a process driven by the sociology of knowledge and forces of paridigm shifts as illustrated by Kuhn. Then again cause and effect is always conditional, and conditions will always vary. In a timeless Universe there can be no cause and effect. Everything that can ever BE, already IS. What we have is simply REVELATION, namely a process by which we apprehend and internalize different things and events that already exist (in other words 'create' them anew in our experience). This revelation process is conditioned on: a) a three dimensional reality, in which we have inserted the illusion of time (thus the erroneous perception of cause and effect etc) b) the limitations of the human Earth instrument (the body) with its sensory tools etc that simply limit how much experience we can process and c) the terms of our Earth walk, which require, for instance, that we handicap ourselves, say, by deliberately suppressing much of what we already know so as not to interfere with our 'learning' experience on Earth Is the universe currently timeless? I think it is. One of the accepted definitions of the Universe says that it contains everything that could possibly exist (Quantum physics, not Metaphysics). This includes all permutations of all things in all forms. In such a scenario, nothing came before anything else. Everything simply IS. The need to order things in linear form is a convention forced on humans by the need to overcome the limitations of 'living' in a 3 dimensional reality. It is no more real than space or gravity, for instance. No time. I doubt if the universe exists. It's only possible to generalize a worldview; a contingent and a social creation.
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