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Rental houses- one of the worst investments
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:05:45 AM
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:11:21 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Rearry?
Until you understand cashflow, thou shalt never call thyself an investor.


@mainat, what i understand about cashflow is that investing the Kshs 15M in rental properties gives one a monthly cashinflow of about Kshs 140K which is a very good thing as this gives you power to borrow and power to do other investments etc

also if the same Kshs15M is used to buy land in kitengela and wait for it to appreciate with a view to disposing it in 5-10 years, there will be no cashinflow

But also realise that if the Ksh15M was borrowed, there will be a cashoutflow of kshs 181K per month to finance the mortgage

Cashflow is ofcourse very important but i think one cannot divorce cashflow from return on investment
Bigchick
#33 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:23:24 AM
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My take:-for middle to upper class housing,then it could be a "bad investment"

But for low end housing,returns are good.

Example:-The same 15M will buy you a 33 by 66 around Embakassi for 5M then use 10M to do at least 4 floors of bedsitters 8 per floor.
Total units 32.Rental income 9000 per unit
Total 9000×32=288,000.

There is a possibility of doing 40 units(5 floors)hence Kes360,000 or even 48(6floors)hence Kes 432,000 though not advisable.Hizi ndio zina anguka.

So for me its low investment,high returns but of course high risk too.
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:34:19 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
My take:-for middle to upper class housing,then it could be a "bad investment"

But for low end housing,returns are good.

Example:-The same 15M will buy you a 33 by 66 around Embakassi for 5M then use 10M to do at least 4 floors of bedsitters 8 per floor.
Total units 32.Rental income 9000 per unit
Total 9000×32=288,000.

There is a possibility of doing 40 units(5 floors)hence Kes360,000 or even 48(6floors)hence Kes 432,000 though not advisable.Hizi ndio zina anguka.

So for me its low investment,high returns but of course high risk too.


This one i agree the returns are much higher. i have seen those houses and even know someone who did exactly as you say

Only that some people ofcourse will accuse you of contributing to development of slums buy squeezing families/people in such small houses. i have seen some of those houses in pipeline area where some units do not even have ventilation, sewer flowig freely
Mainat
#35 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:50:20 AM
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Heri-let me try another tack. Would you do the same investment if you had Ksh15m of your own?
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heri
#36 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:12:37 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Heri-let me try another tack. Would you do the same investment if you had Ksh15m of your own?


Yes i could ofcourse after considering other available investment opportunities

But for me the issue is not whether i have Kshs15M in cash or am borrowing it

The issue is either way, i need to factor in the cost of capital to properly appraise the investment returns. I think most people do not consider the cost of capital when looking at returns

ofcourse for example if am borrowing but at 5% like bankers or civil servants, then the returns dramatically improve
Mainat
#37 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:20:57 PM
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You are paying 180 and receiving 140, correct. So what is your return then?
You are not paying 15m today, correct, but 180k? What will 15m cash outlay today be worth in 15/20yrs.

Put it another way, if you had borrowed 15m in 2002 for rental house building...
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heri
#38 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:54:13 PM
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Mainat wrote:
You are paying 180 and receiving 140, correct. So what is your return then?
You are not paying 15m today, correct, but 180k? What will 15m cash outlay today be worth in 15/20yrs.

Put it another way, if you had borrowed 15m in 2002 for rental house building...


am not clear what you mean here. The return here would a negative 22%
SG
#39 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:10:06 PM
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Mainat wrote:
You are paying 180 and receiving 140, correct. So what is your return then?
You are not paying 15m today, correct, but 180k? What will 15m cash outlay today be worth in 15/20yrs.

Put it another way, if you had borrowed 15m in 2002 for rental house building...


Make it simple for Heri, 180k includes principal + interest. When computing the ROE, consider the interest only which is your cost for the loan.
luttz
#40 Posted : Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:15:28 PM
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Quite an enlightening discussion. I am building without finance and have been doing the numbers and keep wondering if am doing the right thing. My consolation is that am looking at early retirement and hoping that the returns will take care of my expenses at that time.
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